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RE: Compulsory Schooling, Where Self-Confidence and Independent Success are Cardinal Sins (A brief reflection from my time as a teacher).

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That’s just it. I’m not sure what you are trying to say here. Where did I suggest “pulling the rug out” from under anyone?

And second, what is a congruous analogy then, for forcing individuals under threat of violence to stay in a building all day? I’ll leave it to you.

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You suggest that standardized education is fatally flawed. I posit that while that's the case in a lot of ways, basic literacy and mathematics are so essential, that one is functionally debilitated without them, and while public education, in principle, is problematic, it is necessary for some people for now, but that we can get rid of it eventually if we start moving in the right direction. You then compare public education to chattel slavery, and suggest that we should get rid of it immediately. I point out that that's not a good comparison, and that that's not a response that makes sense - that it pulls the rug out from under people who presently depend on it. Then you pretended not to understand the line of discourse we've been engaging in, and glibly asked where you were suggesting that we pull out the rug from under people.

If I'm wrong about any of that, feel free to clarify.

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You then compare public education to chattel slavery, and suggest that we should get rid of it immediately.

Please show me where I suggested that specific course of action. I do not think in terms of “we,” really. I am saying I should be free and able to make my own choice, immediately.

Ok. Explain to me your question about percentages, vis à vis comparing taxation and slavery. Tell me what point you were trying to make.

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Taxation is a form of owning humans. Forget the word “slavery” if it bothers you. Let’s just look at reality:

Taxes are money taken from individuals under the threat of violence, regardless of the presence of consent (this is the definition of extortion). If I refuse to pay for schools, or military bombings of families in the Middle East, via my taxes, armed state agents will eventually come to my door. If I resist being taken away (kidnapped) by them, I will be killed.

This is demonstrative of the fact that these agents believe I am ultimately the property of the state, as my property is not my own. As the concept of property is an extension of self-ownership, the statist hallucination that it owns my property results in the hallucination that my body is also their property.

This actually fits the definition of the word slavery. You can try to differentiate between this type of human ownership and chattel slavery, and be correct that their are differences. However, it is simply another form
of farming humans in a parasitic manner, and claiming ownership over their lives.

Right. I already acknowledged that there is a common underlying principle between slavery and taxation. Nevertheless, there is a significant difference in practice between taxation and chattel slavery, particularly when it comes to collectivized goods like education. It's still wrong, but while one requires an immediate response, the other calls for a much more methodical response, so as not to pull the rug out from people who have come to depend on these collectivized goods that are funded with taxes.

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Show me where I suggested “pulling the rug out” from under anyone. Show me.

I've explained why what you're proposing amounts to that ad nauseam. Now if I misunderstand your position, feel free to correct me, but I'm not going to repeat myself anymore.

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I know what you are explaining. You don't think I should have the freedom to exercise my own individual choice regarding education right now because "we" need to abide by your personal prescription. I would never attempt to force such a thing on you. This is the difference. I am going slowly, and making you explain ad nauseam, so it becomes unmistakably clear that:

  1. I am not advocating "pulling the rug out" from under anyone and forcing them to abide by my views.

  2. You are telling me that yes, it is morally wrong for me to be forced, but that I should be forced by violence until "society" is ready.

Easy to spot the difference. You should just accept that this is what you are advocating.

I've explained why what's your proposing amounts to pulling the rug out from people Ad nauseam.

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I know what you are explaining. You don't think I should have the freedom to exercise my own individual choice regarding education right now because "we" need to abide by your personal prescription. I would never attempt to force such a thing on you. This is the difference. I am going slowly, and making you explain ad nauseam, so it becomes unmistakably clear that:

  1. I am not advocating "pulling the rug out" from under anyone and forcing them to abide by my views.

  2. You are telling me that yes, it is morally wrong for me to be forced, but that I should be forced by violence until "society" is ready.

Easy to spot the difference. You should just accept that this is what you are advocating.