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RE: De-Spinning the Spin - The real truth

in Threespeak5 years ago

You should look into and understand Fair Use Doctrine

I know what fair-use is, but steemcleaners will downvote you for neglecting to provide attribution links for images (even free pixabay images).

I don't see any source credit or attribution links here -

https://steemit.com/buildawhale/@buildawhale/buildawhale1583512430

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 5 years ago 

You misunderstand.

There is a difference between when third party content is your post and when third party content adds to your post.

If I use CC0 (public domain with no requirement to attribute) I do not source it. It is free to use without sourcing. I use gifs freely as they fall under fair use.

If I use images that are not CC0 I always source.

I NEVER make a post that is exclusive a third party piece of content and try to get rewards off their work. Any third party content always suppliments my post as fair use, but I will source so it is not assumed it is my own work.

There is a difference between when third party content is your post and when third party content adds to your post.

The post that was downvoted by steemcleaners was over 100 words of original content with a few pixabay images interspersed.

Pixabay example,

There's no limit of what you can use these cool pictures for. Big thanks goes to our generous contributors, who are sharing their works freely under Creative Commons CC0 with you! Although giving credit is not required, it's always appreciated. Now, go grab it - and enjoy!

https://pixabay.com/blog/posts/40-free-christmas-wallpapers-2017-144/

Also,

image.png

https://pixabay.com/photos/fox-nature-winter-snow-mammal-4893199/

 5 years ago 

I have no idea what post you are talking about, but I am not SteemCleaners, I am sure there is a reason. You can go to their #appeal channel if you have a problem with what they did.

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If I use CC0 (public domain with no requirement to attribute) I do not source it.

So, you consider images ripped directly from a copyrighted movie to be CC0?

 5 years ago 

No, you really should read my responses.

"If I use CC0 (public domain with no requirement to attribute) I do not source it. It is free to use without sourcing. I use gifs freely as they fall under fair use."

I'm asking specifically about the thor "ban-hammer" gif.

 5 years ago 

oh I know, you have been trolling me for a while and trying to paint me as a hypocrite. I'm not an idiot.

I never called you any names. I'm just trying to understand the rules.

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 5 years ago 

Is there anyone else you can troll?

I'm asking sincere and important questions.

Feel free to ask me to stop, or simply refuse to respond.

I do my best to avoid ad hominem attacks and name calling (troll references).

 5 years ago 

You have been harassing me for a while now with social justice warrior type questions for trolls and spammers who have been flagged.

You have been harassing me...

It's not harassment if I'm avoiding ad hominem attacks and name calling.

It's not harassment if YOU HAVEN'T ASKED ME TO STOP.

Attempting to paint me as a SJW is an ad hominem attack (name calling).

I am interested in exactly why individuals have been flagged because your system is not TRANSPARENT.

Your "rules" are not clearly stated, and when they are "explained" they are riddled with subjective opinion and personal value-judgements (and they don't seem to be applied equally to all accounts).

I just want to understand the specific rules so I can avoid getting flagged myself.

If I should be asking someone else, please let me know.

@akiroq recently received an apology from steemcleaners for being unjustly added to the spaminator blacklist.

I still consider myself a newb (219 days on steem) and although I understand that some downvoting cases are "indefensible", not everyone who gets downvoted or blacklisted "deserves it".

There appears to be a very low bar for accusations (anybody can report a violation, not just the original copyright holder or injured party) and a very high bar for appeals (only the account owner is allowed to ask questions about why they were banned or downvoted, and they are presumed guilty and automatically treated as human trash).

 5 years ago 

I asked you to stop a few weeks ago when you were throwing bullshit that had nothing to do with me at me. Go look at your history.

I just want to understand the specific rules so I can avoid getting flagged myself.

I don't like you, but I never flagged you. I can't tell you the heuristics other people use but they are generally less tolerant than I am.

There appears to be a very low bar for accusations (anybody can report a violation, not just the original copyright holder or injured party) and a very high bar for appeals (only the account owner is allowed to ask questions about why they were banned or downvoted, and they are presumed guilty and automatically treated as human trash).

I am not SteemCleaners< I have no idea how things work there, I am very confident my flags are extremely low false positives as I do them manually and I put a lot of time and research into what I do.

I am not anyone else and have no control or influence on how they use their stake

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"GIFs [all images] with famous faces

This notion of fair use becomes even more complex when a GIF features a celebrity [movie star like Chris Hemsworth or Nathan Fillion].

Individual celebrities also have the option to invoke so-called “right of publicity” laws that allow public figures to control how their image is used, according to Fortune‘s Jeff John Roberts.

Despite the absence of any clear legal decision on this matter, social media networks have already adopted measures to protect themselves. The Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DCMA) ensures that social media sites who host GIFs are not held responsible as long as they have a system to report and remove content accused of copyright infringement.

For you, this means that the DCMA will hold you liable for sharing copyrighted GIFs, rather than the platform on which you shared it.

Even if you include attribution or a link back to the creator’s website, you can still be held liable for copyright infringement."

https://modicum.agency/blog/animated-gifs-fair-use-copyright-law/

 5 years ago 

Feel free to contact them and ask them. But as I said before, you should understand Fair use. Bother them not me. You disagree flag it.

Ok, so all celebrity images and movie footage are considered "fair-use".

Duly noted.

 5 years ago 

A gif in the middle of a post, sure. Plastering copyrighted movie images all over your post without sourcing, no. If you look at my movie/tv posts you can see I source them all. Not a single image is ever unsourced unless it is CC0. I am more lax with Gifs as they fall more under fair use similar to memes. They are considered social culture.

Gifs are more under fair use than images because one of the key components of fair use is the fraction of the derivative work. An image is 100% of the derivative work and thus completely stolen if not sourced, but a gif is generally like 0.001% of the original work and fall well below the ~30% guideline.

Wow... i find your resilience in responding to this user impressive. It wasn’t even to me... but i just wanted to write fuck off, bother someone else. 🤣...
i guess on a level he is trying to understand, its just too anal...even for a Butt.

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