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RE: 3 Month Retrospective

in #steemit6 years ago

Hi. My name is.. well... nevermind. Someone took all the names.

I've been here forever. 25600SP. Earned it, organically. The honest way.

I work hard, then I crash and burn. I just got back to this place after a five month hiatus. People missed me, apparently. I don't know. They must be crazy.

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That's what I get for coming back. These people are awesome, I like it here. I managed to pull that off without buying a vote, as per usual. It's not unusual for my posts to have more engagement than the majority here. I'm not rubbing it in, just saying, "That's what happens here, for me, sometimes."

I want the view counter back. That's my only request. Back when we had the view counter, my posts would receive hundreds of views within the first day, sometimes. I'd have more views, organically, than some of these wannabe trending page bloggers, and of course far more genuine interaction. Real people, saying real people things. I'd publish my work, enjoy whatever came my way, then push my work to the outside world by dropping links in key locations. Because I focus on entertainment, people looked, and over time, I'd see that view count rise. Many month old posts seeing sometimes 20 more views in a day and I had no idea where they were coming from, but those links of mine were drawing outside eyes to this place.

Now I don't even bother. I have no way of knowing if going the extra mile is even worth it. Swinging at curveballs in the dark.

So what if people are paid to look away and that's mainly why there's nobody left to actually view and vote. I still want to know how much action my posts are getting. It's important, to me, and I'm not alone, but that's my story. If someone gets duped into purchasing votes so they sit at the top of the trending page with their whopping 7 comments or whatever, them seeing what they're actually paying for would be a fine wake up call as well. You want to see the quality improve around here? How about lets take an honest approach? If someone spends money to be internet famous for a day, you damn right they'll improve once they see how much a fail their crap wannabe trending post was.

Now, pardon my tone, or whatever. I've been away for awhile and I kinda walked into yet another political shit show of a mess, when I was silently hoping things got better while I was away... so I think being a tad bit frustrated with a few things today is excusable. I'll try to be a nice guy, and if you can put that view counter back, maybe I'll even smile. Deal? ;)

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I want the view counter back deseprately as well. My best post had over 1000 views which made me proud. I know that the counter only factored in steemit.com page views, so the actual number of all frontends could have been even higher.

Hopefully they can figure out a script that tracks traffic from all frontends and combine it in one viewcount.

I once wrote an odd little humor piece where I went into character as Elmo's son, except in my twisted world of thoughts, Elmo (that red muppet from Sesame Street) was a dead beat dad living the A list celebrity party lifestyle. Elmo didn't even know he had a son, but the son was actually more of a creeper fan/stalker. The son witnessed his his dad, Elmo, get stabbed by the cookie monster in the club that night. Elmo didn't die though. Anyway. Long story short or whatever.... It was a well written bit, but those were my early days here, I only earned ten cents... but the post had thousands of views. At the rate it was going back then, by now it's possible that post alone might have 100k views. ...but I have no way of knowing and it drives me nuts! LOL

LOL, I feel you. It is frustrating to not know your true reach. On any other social network you know at least that, even if you don't get paid for your efforts :D

Thanks for your feedback, and welcome back!

A post view counter is something we would like to add back and we've actually had some discussions about this. We have a pretty good idea of how we might like to do this using hivemind. However, it probably isn't the single most important thing for the front-end team to be working on. This by no means means 'no' - it just means it's on the backlog to be worked on in the future. Again, thanks for your feedback 🙂

I'm a patient man. Take your time, get it right, and I'll look forward to having it back.

upgrade the look of steemit, like golos did

plz get rid of xrp and eth prices on frontpage add steem-engine price

sponsor @yabapmatt fund him to get a MOBILE Steem Keychain created for iphone and android.... you guys at steem need that so badly..... keychain needs to be like scatter is on eos....

you also need an organic marketing system that works off a reddit tip bot anda twitter tip bot that uses steem, and allows reddit users to get tipped and use theiur reddit account to redeem this steem tipped to them, also on twtter, because the dogecoin tip bot on reddit years ago hgelped push dogecoin to here it is today.... so a steem tip bot on reddit would blow reddit users minds....

Hey @justinw!!

While I agree with @nonameslefttouse, @ew-and-patterns and many more steemians here that recovering and getting back in function the view counter, is and will be a very welcome feature to have for content producers & authors. I want to add another old feature that we all also had and enjoyed here on stemit long time ago.

Sheez mate, please, restore again the internal DMs (private direct messages) within the steemit platform UI/UX... ¡For God Sake! It doesn't matter if these 'transactions' are going to be registered on the Steem Blockchain or not. That's not exactly the goal mate. Whether it can be implemented in Hivemind jointly with the view counter or way before. But crap mate, we actually need a quick and more expedite way of private communications between each other without have to appeal to the infamous Discord, Steemchat or the undesirable practices on the rise of send Wallet Memos for that crap. };)

I was not around here, when private messaging was a thing, but I like the idea of not having to use Discord^^.

There's never been DMs here

Pft @pharesim. Under what sort of heavy rock you've been hidden below?

You are old enough here in steemit to know that we actually did have DM features within steemit interface. I even remember having used this feature to talk with @sykochica plenty of times when she was very active here and also on the original first steemitchat.com website.

Well, unless you don't remember. You never used that feature before. Or you wouldn't classify what I'm talking about as DMs. };)

PS. Don't worry @ew-and-patterns. Let's give to our good friend @pharesim a little more time to refresh his shipwrecked memory. LoL

You are refering to something else. There was https://steemit.chat, which has rebranded to https://steem.chat quite a while ago to show that it's not affiliated with steemit. Those have always been witness projects.
There's never been DMs on steemit.com

Yes, on a second thought I think you are right @pharesim. :)

I have the hunch that that feature I recall we had before within the old steemit UI was 'Notifications' and not DMs.

Yep, there was a time when we didn't need SteemWorld, GinaBot or any of those external Discord/Python bots to know who the hell interacted with us in our content. };)

Cheers!!

Do you have an idea what he is talking about if there have never been DMs here ?

Nope

Maybe steem.chat.

The view counter is ESSENTIAL - put it back ASAP

Welcome back 😉 missed you mate.

Technically speaking though, if everyone was using steemit.com,a view counter would work, but since so many people now use partiko and steempeak, it wouldn't be an accurate representation. It would have to be built into the blockchain, but that in itself raises an issue in that it would be really easy to fake views.

You just put Donald Trump's voice in my head you f-worder.

You're fake views!

Oh hey, by the way... it's good to see you too!

There could be a collaboration between all of these platforms. What I envision is someone runs a server that has the view counter, with both unique views based on ip and returning views, that then gets implemented on each site so none of them host it, they only transmit the data on who accessed the particular post and receive the updated count. This would be essential and I would also give us an accurate representation of traffic. Whoever runs the server wouldn't matter, all that would mater is that it's open source and auditable by whomever wishes to inspect and analyze the data.

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I think running it on a server defeats the whole point of decentralization (that's the whole reason for the blockchain). If the view-counter was on-chain and did like you say, use IPs (and maybe an IP/username hybrid), that would be perfect. No way to make the other sites adopt the viewcounter function of course.

Well the best solution would be to make it decentralized, but honestly that would probably take a lot of computing power, essentially making it a very hard sell for the witnesses who would be the ones paying the price. The way you get everyone to adapt it is simple: make them an offer they can't refuse, and since they won't bear any costs and it basically is a much requested feature, all one needs to do is host the feature and make the code available to be audited.

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{'type':'view', 'timestamp':'<<timestamp>>,' block':<<blocknum>>, 'json':{'ip' :'8.383.849.11', 'account':''}}

Is what a view would look like on the chain. Literally bytes of data, not even kilobytes. And every transaction we have makes our blocktivity ranking go up. Steem witnesses used to process ten times as many transactions as they do now, and that was before mira made node costs a fraction of what they were before.

Can't argue with that, but wouldn't it take computing power (not just storage) to add those transactions up, what would that look like?

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Very little. Whenever you refresh steemit.com you'd be using more bandwidth and processing on comments and votes (which are tallied the same way) than on tallying views. Counting is bread and butter for a computer. And counting the votes could even be done clientside (on the users phone or Web browser).

That's bitching! Hey @steemitblog take notes.

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I was thinking about this last night and I realized that there's something that became obvious as an avenue to abuse as well as a limitation in implementing it. The transactions need to be broadcast by an account. One solution is to have steemit delegate enough sp/rc to keep the account working that registers all traffic without an account, but then it could be abused by anyone who wants to spam f5 without an account, you know what I mean?

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Wouldn't an accurate view counter be of interest to advertisers?

Maybe, it'd work if ip addresses that'd viewed the page were stored on the blockchain along with usernames of applicable.

Seems like an unnecessary addition to the chain and still possible to fake.

Unlike votes though, there's no real incentive to fake views unless it meant trending.

Yes, or unless it's meant to attract advertisers.