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RE: Thousands of dollars in rewards recovered to the reward pool.
Thx, I'm new to steemit and I love it but it's a real brain stretch to figure all this out. :)
So just to clarify, these bots here are ok to use
@jerrybanfield
@postpromoter
@pushup
@appreciator
@aksdwi
@boomerang
Yeah, I think the spammy ones were small fry.
Same here dude, im still new here on steemit and im having a hard time choosing which bot i can truly use and trust... im doing some searching in which bots that have good reviews. Can any one tell me what bots is good to use...
why use bots? i thought seemit was all about original content, creating communities...this way its all artificial...
just saying...
It's pure greed man. Nothing about curation, just whales liking other whales posts regardless of content value. You will see fights like this all the time between the power players. Steemit should be about content first. These types of behaviours damage the whole community and destroy the credibility of the platform
My thoughts exactly. Glad to be on the same page.
Let's keep steemit clean. It is healthier this way...otherwise it will soon be transformed into something very dirty and common.
At risk of being flagged (yes they will try to silence your voice if they do not like what you say) all these bots that are cheating the system should be banned. The rules should be: One account per user and no bots so we can have a solid community. I literally have posts with hundredths of likes and comments that barely made a few cents. On the other hand, you see these so-called whales get hundreds of dollars with significant fewer likes. It doesn't make any sense. They are just damaging the platform and if you think about it, they make it unsustainable in the long run. Because obviously they are taking all the money and leave nothing to new users. Thus new users have no incentive to keep blogging since their post will get no money regardless of the number of likes they get. I hope these problems can get fixed because I really like Steemit
New slogan: Ban the bots!
I understand bots do useful things. And that bots aren't the core problem. But would it be so bad to ban bots? Then you can hire people to do the work themselves. Actual people. And maybe whales will hire minnows to do the work, giving minnows a way to make SBD and earn a greater stake in the platform.
What if all the bot owners power down, and there is no one to fund all this content?
Nobody can predict. Maybe influx of new users? Maybe drop in price of steem that allows others to buy more? Maybe steemit's brand value goes up, encouraging more people to use it? So many variables.
The problem is perceived unfair distribution of upvotes, leading to new users getting frustrated or simply dropping out. The goal is to keep whales and technically-savvy people from manipulating the system to their advantage. The intended result is a Steemit where rewards are distributed based on how much users like what authors post. Bots have value, certainly, but they also contribute to our problem, undermine our goals, and prevent us from getting the result we want. So, I’m advocating Steemit acknowledge this, accept a hard and risky decision to ban the bots, and hope that by staying true to the values we share and committing to the goals we share, Steemit will be better off for us having done so.
Great Idea! Ban the bots. No more bots in Steemit!
My response to @whatsup in a side-chain of this thread. It got cut off, so I'm posting here. @whatsup said:
What if all the bot owners power down, and there is no one to fund all this content?
Here's my reply:
Nobody can predict. Maybe influx of new users? Maybe drop in price of steem that allows others to buy more? Maybe steemit's brand value goes up, encouraging more people to use it? So many variables.
The problem is perceived unfair distribution of upvotes, leading to new users getting frustrated or simply dropping out. The goal is to keep whales and technically-savvy people from manipulating the system to their advantage. The intended result is a Steemit where rewards are distributed based on how much users like what authors post. Bots have value, certainly, but they also contribute to our problem, undermine our goals, and prevent us from getting the result we want. So, I’m advocating Steemit acknowledge this, accept a hard and risky decision to ban the bots, and hope that by staying true to the values we share and committing to the goals we share, Steemit will be better off for us having done so.
They are taking away from post promotion too. Post promotion burns money to increase the price, but bid bots lowers the price by squirreling it away for itself.
Entiendo algo de ingles pero me quedo claro. Estas totalmente en lo cierto.
Couldn't agree more with you! Hope the rest of us stays true to ourselves. This platform is way much bigger than that..
That's why I am posting only my own work. As @stevekelly mentioned, it will not be sustainable on the long run with bots and those votes "enhancers" (me too I am puzzled when I see a post with 2-5 votes and over 30USD...)
I made a breakdown of how these bots work in my blog, check it out, also there is a new voting solution where you need to pass a quality test to avoid voting on spammers. Check smartsteem and the bots article. I agree with both of you though I feel forced to use them to avoid getting behind :(
I wrote an article about these bots. Some of them are really making millions for their creators. You can find the article here
https://steemit.com/steemit/@stevekelly/the-cryptocurrency-mining-bots-stealing-millions-for-their-creators
Thanks it summons up very well the essence of our discussion here!
I Agree, I mean am new to the comunity and I made quite some effort to make possible my last post, and it hardly gets an visit. Anyhow am patient and I will keep up.
I going to be really really honest here, because we think that the bots will help us to gain more attention with more upvotes so we can be featured in trending. If there are no bots, i i would not use it. But its actually like a gamble, out of 10 times only 4 pay out well. including the big ones like postpromoter or sneaky-ninja
Such a sweet kid @meonline. Bless his heart.
lol seemit?
The typo was probably a subconscious alteration.
Seems it yeah. Seems that your belief is right. Until you open your eyes.
That's just another proof I am not a bot :) :)
Mistakes makes us human, lol
Cheers,
Adrian
I used to feel the same way, and in a sense I still do. When I joined SteemIt in October of 2016, things were different. You didn't need to use bots. If you put out great content, you got recognized accordingly, for the most part.
Unfortunately, things have changed drastically, and it's simply not enough to put out good content. If you are a new user, or even a pro, for that matter, if you want any recoginition at all (which you deserve if you put out good content), then you need to use bots.
Sad. For example I have here one comment with 51 voted worth of...2.8usd. one can get dissatisfied and quit very soon. Luckily I am here only for the fun of it, but "something" is definitely wrong here....
I agree. I'm here for the fun of it, too, but when you work on a piece for 3 hours and make less than $1 and then someone else comes along and reposts a meme they found on Facebook and makes $300, it gets a little less fun.
Soo true. Upvoted you brother!
I disagree. You can form relationships on the chat of others post. (like this one) People see that you are a real user and like reading your comments so they go to your blog and see your content. they than follow you and upvote your posts. This is a slower way to grow but it is more sustainable.
Agreed. I heard all about the bots and decided to try one. I used 3 bots on 1 of my posts just to see what it would do. And in all honesty I prefer the slower "real" method. Yes the bot gave it a very small almost nothing to be spoken about upvote but it was not sustainable. The difference is using the bots you have to "pay" for the upvote on each post. When people truly follow you and they read your content they give you their true upvote. This is based on YOUR content and it is real. Which means they will come back and read more of your content and form a true following and most of the time (you should not except every post will be liked by every follower) they will upvote your post. Not only is this the real way to grow it is better. As you get bigger on the platform your follower gets bigger as well. The bigger they are the more their votes are worth. So that .02 vote now can be worth a hue amount in 6 months. The bots are dead end and if you stop paying for the vote they stop voting. Do as you wish but keep this in mind before you use a bot.
excellent comment brother
you can use @appreciator, @upme, @upmyvote, i use them all the time and they pay well. very good profit margins
Are you sure on the margins part? Have you checked already on other solutions?I made a breakdown of how these bots work in my blog, check it out, also there is a new voting solution where you need to pass a quality test to avoid voting on spammers.
Check smartsteem and the bots article. Hope it helps you to get the full picture.
good comment boss
Ive used @jerrybanfield and it worked well for me. It is a lot to wrap your head around. I've been on here a month or two and I'm still figuring it out. I found that the #whaleshare community is extremely helpful as well. You can find them in discord. Talk, chat, ask questions... its a learning curve for everyone.
:) USE SMARTBOT : more about smartbot
https://steemit.com/cryptocurrency/@msg768/introducing-smartbot-the-official-smartcash-tipbot-for-steemit
I can totally relate
I feel like automatic is the future, but we will have to sacrifice some quality
There is nothing wrong with those bots as far as I know. They are the ones (as well as mine) that had votes on these user accounts. I blacklisted them on my bot and removed the rewards on the scammy posts.
thx man
You need to go take a look at jerrybanfield, I think he may also be frauding users with his "upvote bots" and "giveaways" which are rigged to all his accounts. Take a close look at his current writing contest Supernatural Writing Contest, the rules he implemented, then go find some of the entries and you will see that any that used his bots got up votes and those complaining in the comments of those stories are asking without any reply back when their stories are going to get voted. So even though in the contest rules it says you don't have to use his bots or donate proceeds to him the only articles being promoted are the ones that are.
Investigate Jerry?
You must have not updated your navigator.
You took a wrong turn somewhere back there.
The CIRCLE is THE CIRCLE!
Untouchables.
So you are saying that this dude markymark is in the inner circle of jerry therefore he won't go look into the allegations of abuse?
That's what you are saying actually.
Simply utilize the Shrelock within you.
To either validate or debunk that statement.
I have no power over what Jerry does, I can only control who abuses my bot. I am not SteemIt police (no one has that capacity as it is decentralized), I just have say who can or can't use my promotion bot and make a post about anything I see out of place.
If you believe he is doing something wrong, write a post about it and hopefully the community can deal with it.
@teknow is just mad I flagged his rude comment about approving the actions of a spammer.
......probably because at this point I can't see myself wasting my time writing something that I wouldn't even be able to get a foot inside the door for anyone to see it.
You on the other hand are already in the room, you could, at a minimum, look the situation over and determine if what he is doing is questionably fair to those participating and write a article on how contest run like that discourage participation and makes it appear the system can be rigged . You have way more exposure than I do to bring awareness. If I had to guess or make my own personal assumption based on other things I see, like what you depicted above, I would come to the assumption that he also is doing the very thing you described. It would seem though you may not be able to do anything about it it may bring awareness to someone who could or someone who could write guidelines to people entering contest about what techniques could be deployed at one's disadvantage. Simple as saying if a contest ask you to give up your rewards for something other than a charitable event it may be questionable.
He put out a contest with rules that he is not even voting on the content that was created following those rules. And a few of the ones he did vote on did not follow the rules. Yes it is rigged. But than I loved the idea behind the topic. So I wrote a post on it myself. I did see your entry and I thought it was well written as well. I even upvoted it. But than I am still small so it is only worth .02 right now.
I appreciate that, I do better at commenting then writing elaborate stuff so every penny counts to keep me swimming and rewarding others, I get down to a couple bucks and I am sweating it....(lol). I just like blogging, it's a hobby and as nice as the thought is of making money off your hobby sounds it's not always a realistic expectation. Do you have a link to your story? I loved to read it.
here is the link to mine. https://steemit.com/jerrybanfield/@curlfamilyvlog/the-day-i-felt-my-soul I too love the idea of just having an open community that I can share my story with.
You soft cock you're not man enough to discuss the truth.
On your very post about rape there sits on top a spam post.
On your mind also.. there sits the truth about the real rapists here.
BUT YOU ARE A PUSSY WHO WILL NOT SPEAK UP.
REWARDS TOO GOOD TO JEOPARDIZE. COCK RIDER.
Thank you for doing the Hard and Tideus leg-work so that we can all enjoy this platform and do it on a level playing field, so-to-speak. The greed has got to end people . Be original and have fun! Don't make this another one of those Great Ideas that gets ruined because you have no self-control. Again thank you and Good Luck to all my fellow Steemers!
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