RE: Do Socialists Even Have Real Arguments?
I think one of the major issues in this debate is definitions. I've noticed that a big problem is that libertarians, statists, leftists, and rightists use the same terms in spelling but have different meanings depending on the ideological group you belong to. For example, the definition of "social good" or "maximizing utility". For libertarians (I assume you are of the right-wing flavor), it could be the maximization of liberty. For leftists, it could be the maximization of equality. For rightists, the maximization of self-preservation, and for statists, the maximization of order and safety.
The point of this comment is just to show that you assume the end goal is liberty when other ideologues, such as socialists, may assume goal is equality.
Oh, and the original goal of socialism is to eliminate the need for government (just another example of shifting definitions).