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RE: Can Capitalism Exist Without a State?

in #anarchy6 years ago

when immigrants enter the country ILLEGALLY seeking to take advantage of the free trade to better their own lots in life.

conservatives do not think that job exportation or immigration are bad for the economy. They think illegal immigration is bad. And this is because it is bad not only for legal workers it is bad for the illegal immigrants, they are often exploited because they don't enjoy or perceive that they enjoy the full protection of the state.

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You are right that conservatives think illegal immigration is bad, not all immigration. I should have clarified.

I disagree. Again, just like how black markets wouldn't be dangerous, expensive and inefficient if the state didn't prohibit them, I don't think immigration that is currently deemed by the state to be "illegal" would be nearly as dangerous or risky for the immigrants themselves if the state didn't prohibit it. As far as the negative effects of illegal immigration on legal workers, they are mostly either imagined or balanced out by positives effects that immigration (even the illegal sort) brings to the economy of the host country.

black markets wouldn't be dangerous, expensive and inefficient if the state didn't prohibit them

If the state didn't prohibit them they would not be black markets by definition. In the absence of any regulation markets are dangerous, expensive and inefficient. You need to be able to have standardized weights and measures and the ability to sue people when they fail to fulfill their contractual obligations to be able to do business efficiently. You need a disincentive to settle things with violence. The state provides all of that and those things make doing business much easier and profitable.

If the state didn't prohibit illegal immigration they would not be much of a state, the positive effects to the economy of having second class workers that can be exploited because they don't enjoy the protection of the state are worth allowing that?
Slavery is great for the economy. This country was built upon that fact.