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RE: Why Anarcho-Communism Is An Oxymoron

in #anarchy6 years ago (edited)

Just a Side note in the Kroptkin book:

"All is interdependent in a civilized society; it is impossible to reform any one thing without altering the whole. Therefore, on the day we strike at private property, under any one of its forms, territorial or industrial, we shall be obliged to attack them all. The very success of the Revolution will demand it."

That looks a little bit like rule by force.

Also in that last link:
"One last point: to state the obvious, this is not the final word on anarchism. Many anarchists will disagree with much that is written here, but this is to be expected when people think for themselves. All we wish to do is indicate the basic ideas of anarchism and give our analysis of certain topics based on how we understand and apply these ideas. We are sure, however, that all anarchists will agree with the core ideas we present, even if they may disagree with our application of them here and there. "

So using that as a source of definition is somewhat self defeating. (Plus the quotes by Tucker, who was typically seen as anti-communist, which is a really strange inclusion for defining anarcho communism)

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Im pretty sure tucker is the english translator of that book, i may be confused.

Crapitalism is maintained by force, this makes any force used to counter it self defense.

I agree that these old authors were living in a different time.
There was more violence, and less leisure.
They didnt have the corporate structure of costco to exploit.
On any given tuesday the workers can just keep working supplying the costco shelves but stop paying for those supplies, and not much changes in the day to day life of consumerism.
Workers still work, but less.
The parasites get productive, or denounced as bums.
The shelves continue to be stocked.

Outlines are to give a general idea, specifics of who and how will have to be worked out locally.

If the workers work less there is less supply. Less supply means more demand, which cant be met. Prices go up and up and up and eventually you got an economic disaster based around the price rise of basic human needs. Look at venzuala, although its completely from your idea of anarcho-communism (they, are state socialist), they have this exact problem. The population became lazy and this had a similiar effect as to when you only produce what you need. What you need isnt much, but it sure helps with quality of life when you get what you want.

I also realize that you may disregard supply demand in your communist theory because commies saught to evaporate the economic cycle.

If the workers work less there is less supply.

Well, maybe if we dont automate, but with my proposal there wont be any starving workers if they get replaced by automation.
So, we can bring on the robots.

Look at venzuala,

Venezuela is a victim of corruption, even under crapitalism they could be doing ok on just oil exports, but their rulers pocket the procedes.

There is a disconnect somewhere, something doesnt add up in venezuela.
If they were actually starving business as usual couldnt go on, but, if you got money, life there is continuing.
The population is getting some minimum from somewhere or chaos would rule the streets, it would be mad max.
Delivery trucks wouldnt be arriving.
Normal people would be in the streets, too.
Nobody is reporting that, something isnt adding up.

Venezuela is suffering from the social construct of its leadership. The leaders separated people from their original means of production and tried to plug everyone in a social distribution of an oil economy.

It never works out when your economy is so dependent on one means of production, but it was a easy way to get the entire nation dependent on the government.

Many people have left the country, others work in black markets. Some try to survive off the government systems. The government system is based on queues:
https://steemit.com/busy/@cjao20/3-when-i-was-poor-in-capitalism

Did you see my comment on that post?

I absolutely agree that its a leadership problem.

Yes, i was agreeing with you in that part, but also mentioning the economy was based mostly in oil instead of decentralized into different areas of production.

If the population could have kept their own individual means of production, the cascade failure of the government system wouldn't created such a problem.

Yeah, if the crapitalusts didnt have such a lock in their minds they are prime targets of my proposal.
With all that oil they could trade for what they couldnt produce themselves.

But, you know, crapitalism is the world's lord and savior.

As i said before, running an economy on a singular production scheme is a bad idea.

The government banning people in other sectors of production was/is a bad idea.

Communism doesn't save anyone from bad ideas.

If anything it distributes the bad idea equally on everyone.

So, we can bring on the robots.

Invention and innovation doesnt occur in an economy based on surviving.

See, crapitalism makes you think that money is the only motivator, but if that was the case i wouldnt vote your comment, i'd front run a bot.

Dont blindly accept what authorities feed you, they have their best interests in mind, not yours.

Money is not the only motivator, but it is a big one. My point was that when there is no competition between innovative entities, there is less incentive to make the most efficient and most productive product. A company that makes crappy solar panels that work, isnt going to even be able to compete with one that makes solar panels that work and are efficient and better quality. The competitive nature of capitalism drives innovation, that's a fact that you cant argue with.

"Dont blindly accept what authorities feed you, they have their best interests in mind, not yours. "

I have never understood the lefts view of capitalism as some kind of enslaving ideology, pushed alongside the agendas of politicians. Capitalism isnt like that, it wasn't invented by some enlightened 18th century philosopher. Capitalism has been around since the dawn of time and is naturally occurring in nature, humans included.

The competitive nature of capitalism drives innovation, that's a fact that you cant argue with.

Any competetive environment will do, it doesnt have to come with a system to concentrate wealth in the hands of the few.

I have never understood the lefts view of capitalism as some kind of enslaving ideology, pushed alongside the agendas of politicians.

It took me a long time to escape the matrix, too.

This book gave me an idea of why, to be an anarchist, i had to denounce crapitalism.
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/alexander-berkman-what-is-communist-anarchism

There were others, but that one is a good introduction.

This one predates it, and was part of its inspiration.
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/petr-kropotkin-the-conquest-of-bread