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RE: Compulsory Schooling, Where Self-Confidence and Independent Success are Cardinal Sins (A brief reflection from my time as a teacher).
In principle I agree. I will say, though, that if a child doesn't learn to read, write, and do basic math, they are pretty badly hobbled.
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Correct, I live in Honduras and we have a significant percentage of kids who basically receive no education, even if the education might be biased I think it is way better if they do receive at least the basic elements, math, reading at a certain level etc. And the only way they can get it is at public schools.
BTW, when you called me slimey, I muted you, so I won't see your further responses.
Kafka, you grew up in this society, too. You shouldn't have been forced into this association, but you were. What I'm talking about is a realistic way to get from where we are to where we should be. If you think that's slimey, then that's because you're just a useless person.
Why wouldn’t they learn these things? Every unschooled child I know can read just fine, thanks to self-interested pursuit of knowledge.
Ultimately, if someone has half decent parents, they will be taught to read write and math. There are plenty of people who don't have decent parents. Now, I'd be happy to see curricula get de-federalized, school vouchers get implemented in the state level, and, eventually, privatize education. But my point is that these particular skills are actually fundemental.
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Then the fault is with the parents, and not with the absence of compulsory, theft-funded public schooling. Regardless of whether parents are good or bad, compulsory schooling is immoral.
Sure. So are a lot of things. But you can't ask a heroin addict to go cold turkey and expect good results. You have to have a roadmap to get from where you are to where you want to be. Government is immoral, but we depend on it. Until society has created enough institutional and contractual infrastructure to displace government, getting rid of government is not a good solution. I was in Russia in the 90s. I've seen what happens. You have to grow out of government as a society before you get rid of it.
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I am not advocating heroin addicts going "cold turkey," though. To be fair, that analogy is highly incongruous. I am simply stating that parents and children should have a choice, and that how they choose to be educated is nobody's business but theirs.
And no, you are incorrect. I do not have to "wait on society" for it to be my moral right to live free. This is the same as saying " We can end black slavery as soon as we figure out how the cotton will be picked without slaves! Until then, we need slavery!"
Nope. Nope. Nope.
Completely wrong.
If you wish to wait in that fashion, you are free to do so. Those of us who wish to exercise our natural law human rights are also free to do so, RIGHT NOW.
You have no right to tell me I must wait.
I don't think I'm the one drawing incongruous analogies, here. Having to pay for public schools regardless of whether you send your child there is not just or moral. But it is something that a lot of people are depending on right now, and yes, cutting all funding for public education right now is something that would be analogous to quitting heroin cold turkey. With society being the way it is right now, a lot of children just would not get any education of any kind, and that would be a disaster. We still have to do something about the injustice of redistributing money to pay for "free" public education, but that's something we have to do intelligently and methodically.
On the other hand, comparing public education to forcing vast swathes of the population to do hard labor for free, and to treat them like chattel is really kind of a stretch, by comparison.
Well, this is easy to address, because I did not suggest people should not be able to continue going to school where they wish. I did not suggest they should be “cut off” from their choice. As long as I am allowed to be free, that is fine with me. See? The problem is on the side of the initiator of aggression.
At what percentage of someone’s stolen time does something become slavery, in to your view?
I never suggested that we should be against private or home schooling. Obviously, that's a massive step in the wrong direction. In principle, having your earnings confiscated by the state is not different from chattel slavery. In practice, however, the two are extremely different in terms of degree, and the former creates dependency through collectivization, rather than personal enrichment through direct tyranny. Therefore, while one requires an immediate, even violent, response, the latter requires a measured, methodical response that takes into account the fact that collectivization, while wrong, is more complicated than direct tyranny of one man over another, and creates dependency that should be dissolved in a transitional way in order to avoid the disastrous consequences of pulling the rug out from under people who have come to depend on it.
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