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I was tempted to put in a comment in there that I was NOT trying to say that the authors of "The Bell Curve" are the authoritarian excuse-makers I was talking about.

There is no need to. Everybody who listens to Charles Murray knows that he is not an authoritarian.
I'm a teacher in Germany. My students come from all over the world. At the moment I have lots of refugees from Afghanistan and Africa. I have read the Bell Curve a long time ago.
But I'm also saying so what?. Should I give them lower grades, because statistics say, that they are not as intelligent as Europeans?
Of course not! They get their grades based on their achievements and not based on their skin color.
These kids have managed to come from Afghanistan to Germany, mostly by foot and have managed to cross borders without getting caught.
If they would be idiots, they wouldn't have managed to do this.
And besides that, these kids have a very freedom loving mindset. They have seen by themselves, how governments have fucked up their countries.
You don't have to tell them that governments are the problem and not the solution.

You don't have to tell them that governments are the problem and not the solution.

It depends on the Government, take Iceland for example, all those Icelandic Anarchists.

Also, People naturally confuse the absence of a functioning government because a pretender exists with the similar name Corporation as the Government it's impersonating and take the products of that corporation as those of a lawful or functional government because indeed it was Anarchy that the founding fathers referred to as Self Rule, and it was from anarchy that we began then and anarchy is where we are looking at for our destination. What we need to establish is our common sense and rights, here in America we have inherited Freedom, Sovereignty, and Independence, with Self Rule, and a system of Common Law which functions not upon written law but Common Sense, it's a folly to forgo our inheritance simply because the housekeepers have turned our country into a Thieves and Murderer's Den.

But aren't the US a proof, that not even the best constitution can't protect you from corrupt politicians.
You Americans still have much more freedom than we Europeans, but as far as I can see your freedom gets more and more restricted.

The constitution despite what the rest of the world thinks is not our protection against government, it's our Countries protection against the Federal Power, which isn't government in the sense of a country therefore, but government in the sense of a confederation of Countries, much like the UN isn't any one's government but an interface between countries, and so then the constitution only applies to the states which formed it, and only if they are active, because otherwise there's nothing to protect, should the states have stopped functioning and showing up and equally should the Federal Power have done the same then there isn't a Federal Power to protect from. We have freedom and are quickly losing it because people believe their country is America, imagine what would happen if anyone in Europe thought that EU or UN was their country and they kept that thought and passed it down generation after generation. People would soon enough join the ranks of the UN in thoughts they are serving a Country and forgetting that they belonged to a certain country and not an alliance of countries. That's exactly what happened here, people thought the Articles of Confederation were dissolved by the constitution, and 100 year later people like Lysander were concluding that either the Constitution caused the Government or was powerless to stop it, thinking that it applies AT-ALL to them or is their Government. So would the UN soon enough could open up charters in all the nations that don't have a functioning government and start offering services and soon enough people think that those things are indeed Government because they do the same function, and if it becomes inefficient and outright immoral people start blaming the Corporation for not being a proper Government, yet the main difference between a Corporation and a Lawful government is in the capacity it operates under, with a Corporation owing it's explanation to its Shareholders and Trustees and lawful government owing their existence to the actual People it claims to serve and such relationship can't be confused, the employer and the employee, and if it is then it's time to begin from the beginning, a la Declaration of Independence. There's no Anarchist in Iceland because people haven't confused their capacity and roles.

One needs 12 years of indoctrination camp to over-complicate what a 3yo already starts understanding, like that. You have no idea how ridiculous this sounds to anyone who is not in your cult. How often do you have to repeat this to yourself, praying to your masters? Iceland is so great? People thought they were a collective, not individuals, therefore a majority can gang-rape, a minority and this is not being confused, because majority is hallucinating this to be moral? How about you visit me and I and my buddy force you to pay for the pizza, when you want a burger? If you refuse we will decide how long to lock you up in a room. We can beat you up whenever we want. You do not get basics of peaceful coexistence. This is why you think this convoluted nonsense is logic. Dumb shit always seems like logic, to people who were trained not to get logic

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You didn't address anything said above, but you proceeded to attack my character at length without rhyme or reason. Tell me again about all those Iceland Anarchists LMAO.

You want me to be shot if I do not obey the threats of strangers you chose for me to be my masters. I do not want you nor them to control my life. You keep insisting on forcing me, when I told you more than 10 times, I do not want to. If you behave like a piece of shit and cannot see it, I will describe it for you again and again. I do not care what you have to say, if you do not start from being a peaceful person. I have a moral duty to stop your aggression. If you wish to talk about Iceland maybe go to Iceland? I really do not care if the entire world thinks that majority forcing minority to obey is moral. I do not. Do not force me to live like you want me to live. It is very simple. If you do not get it, you are no one to debate with.

There is also the serious difference, these people have never trusted the governments. The trust was in the families and the surrounding environment created. When I was allowed to spend six years in this culture before the first Iraq war, I could clearly feel the distrust of their rulers.