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RE: iTALENT | ROUND 5 - HAS BEGUN | All Talents Accepted | Submit Your Entry Until 7'th of June
Hi @ivan.atman ! Thanks for our inspiring conversation on SMA - Radio today. So I came here to learn more about #italent. I am motivated to participate, If I can come up with something for this round in the next day or so...
Say, I just checked out Sensei Archers Moonlight Kingdom ... Wow great production quality and wonderful vocal harmony! (It makes me feel very honored by the compliments you shared about the tune on the radio today)
Really glad to see you here @onemedia glad to have you on board
Thank you, really glad you liked it :) Sensei Archers is my main project
I think you might appreciate this song as well, it has some polyrhythmic bits that you might find interesting https://sensei-archers.bandcamp.com/track/useko-mali
Cool, love it! ... Took me two listens to pick up, sounds like 9/8 time signature at first then 7/8 seems to predominate... cool swing and something one can latch onto, unlocking its 'secrets' !
@onemedia Yes it took me awhile to count it after I made it :) it sounds that it is in odd beat due to dynamic patterns, It is actually 8/8 mostly throughout the track only exemption is a poly rhythmical sections (00:15 - 00:40) and (00:47 - 00:55) where 8/8 is crossed with another 8/8 that is displaced, causing it to appear odd beat.
Also, calling this poly rhythmic is in a sense not correct entirely, but is acceptable due to smaller odd divisions appearing within some parts.
Ah OK... so it's more like an 8/8 offset from one section to another and on top of another 8/8 ...
I've had quite a bit of classical private piano lessons as a kid and some elective classes at school (not major) but I too still prefer to feel the rhythm intuitively, 4/4, 6/8, 12/8 it's readily done, but odd time signatures I tend to consciously count while playing.
Then there was the time we rehearsed a 7/8 bass line and head, and the guy whose task it was to program the drum machine just dug out an 8/8 factory preset ... alternating between feeling off and feeling 'normal' every other measure ! ;-D
Yeah to play odd beats I wouldn't recommend you to count in your head, rather start to count first few bars until you get a feeling where "1" is, also when you count do not count 1-2-3-4-5-6-7, but rather 123-12-12 (or how ever beats are arranged) this will help you feel the swing of the beat.
Some people make it easier by counting odd beats in a even time signature (and this works) but IMHO it is never correct that way, it is just an agreement between the band members
yeah! any odd time signature greater than 7 you're better off breaking it down to 3's and 2's if not 3's and 4's ... 7/8 actually feels 'almost natural' ...
Here's a tune I did that is a 'seven bar round' where measures 5 and 7 are in 7/8 and all other remaining measures are in 6/8 ...
Man I really love you tracks :)
@onemedia yes making subdivisions is a way to go as well, but I meant 1-2-3, 1-2, 1-2 as the way of counting (or any order of the beat), in example counting the 7 should sound like ("one two three", "one two", "one two") this helps achieve the tru swing of the odd beat, of course there are other methods but this one IMO is most correct if you want to make the odd beat true odd beat
Greatly appreciated !!!
Oh yes, the method you describe there is best, most precise way of accenting the exact beat(s) that need emphasis as you said, per the band's agreement ...
Because 4/4 and 3/4 are so common, it seems to me most figures in 7/8 can be played intuitively 3/4+4/4 or 4/4+3/4, unless it's a 1-2, 1-2-3, 1-2 ... Actually 5/8, to me, seems like it needs to be broken down the way you describe, it's seems only 7/8 could be more intuitively like common time...