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No, it gives people a base minimum of earnings. It doesn’t mean people aren’t reading posts, it doesn’t mean the content isn’t high quality. With that logic you’re against curie and every other curation trail. You think everyone following those trails is reading the posts? They exist to reward people that are contributing high quality content. I see this more for people who are contributing regular daily content.
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Curie and C squared manually curate every post they upvote. Following is a sad ability to allow here though. Follow for follow and vote for vote IS an even worse idea. Who is checking the quality however and of they are checking it, why not read it too. Seriously, these 'schemes' where the priority is simply grabbing rewards will kill this blockchain and keep the overall content quality low thus discouraging new creators.
One curators reads a post and a few others approve it with curie. The several hundreds of votes that follow are automated. Also, what is high quality content?
People have been saying “THIS thing will ruin this platform!” for years now. No it won’t. I need to go ahead and buy some drama tokens for moments like this.
You said:
Then said when describing curie:
So, you are admitting that content voted by @curie is actually reviewed before voting so that would make that process fundamentally different.
With that in mind, it doesn't really make sense for you to assert that for one to be critical of this "curation" trail that one must necessarily be against manual curation projects.
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The point that I was making was that the OP said that the issue was that the people weren't looking at the posts they were upvoting, which IS the same in both cases. I never said they were the same thing. They obviously aren't. But if your issue with this was that people are voting on something that they aren't reading, that's the same in both cases, in the case of curie, for the other 99% of the people following the trail.
Automated votes are not necessarily the issue.
Think one thing needs to be made clear. Strictly speaking, this is not a curation trail. It's a voting trail as the initiating trail vote is not the result of a quality assessment performed by a human.
That, in and of itself, is a degradation of how content discovery should work ideally.
But, hey, damn near everyone and their mom is pushing some sort of voting scheme so can't really single any one out in particular. They all suck imho.
I'm just saying. Let's call a spade a spade. It's an automated circlejerk with bells and whistles. It's not anywhere near on par with @curie.
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Woah woah, I was not trying to say this was the same as curie at all, and I have no delusions about what it is. You can call it a circle jerk, or you can call it a bunch of people using their SP to cooperate to earn more Steem. The functionality is the same whether you frame it negatively or neutrally.
So let me be as clear as possible. This has absolutely NOTHING to do with content discovery as that doesn't even really exist on this platform unless posts are in the hundreds of dollars. Its a bunch of regular steemians choosing to use their SP to cooperate and earn a little more Steem. Period.
I'd welcome any concrete argument that can demonstrate how this is in any way harmful to the platform.
I'll put it like this and it's similar to my argument against bid bot voting schemes.
The more SP that is dedicated to processes that do not seek to reward novel content via manual curation on the platform, the less novel content we will find on the platform.
You can frame it as something as merely as regular Steemians working together to earn more but everything has a cost and often that cost extends beyond the group.
The cost is the more users we have opting their SP into collusive voting schemes, the less SP we have involved with users going out, discovering the type of content they would like to see on the platform, and supporting it.
If we really want this platform to be full of content that we believe will captivate and draw in other user / investors, I believe we need to start changing the way we think.
This sort of thing. It's not it.
Well I hear what you're saying, but being on this trail doesn't stop me from curating. It just does some curating automatically. I still curate my favorite authors, and if I see something new I like I upvote it. That and following this trail are not mutually exclusive. There is a limit to how much you can curate as you need to keep your VP above 85%, but that's really not an issue for me, maybe it would be for some and in that case I'd say it's not for that user.
But you're predicating this argument on the assumption that if people weren't following this trail they'd be doing a lot more manual curation which I'd argue is probably not the case, and you're assuming that being on the trail means you're not curating which as I just mentioned is also not the case.
Most of my friends on here I automatically upvote anyway. I read their posts, but if I happen to miss one, I still want to support them anyway, because the reality of the way this system works is that most people aren't searching and finding lots of new content, they make friends and support the person, not the post.
You could argue that more people should, but I'd say that's more of a design problem, since there are no communities and no functional search, finding new content isn't something the vast majority of people have a lot of time to dedicate to.
My philosophy is more about supporting people vs supporting content. If someone is a real person and is posting some real content ie not spam, I don't mind supporting that person. I want the steem to go to the people who want to be here and are invested in the platform. Two things this trail incentivises.
We didnt have these problems with the n2, 4 post soft cap, and 40 daily votes.
Long live proof of brain!
Death to proof of wallet.
Yes, called them out when they started self voting with ned's posting key.
Before delegation was a thing.
I read my curation trails.