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RE: Gridcoin Issue Breakdown: "Wealth" Disparity

I have certainly seen arguments that people think the coin distribution is unfair, not merely the weight for voting. As for voting, I'm happy to concede that our voting system could use some work and I'm totally in agreement that we need an actual governance structure of some kind. I'm just not at all upset by the coin distribution itself, unlike some people.:)

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when you say coin distribution, do you mean when the coin was initiated or do you mean the current stake of each individual?

@nateonthenet and I have spent a fair bit of time on Reddit recently debating with some former Gridcoiners who feel (and I'm oversimplifying this of course) that we should be distributing far more coin to miners than we currently do AND that we should continue to scale that upwards with the growth in miners . This individual has said he believes inflation is a non-factor. Now, I've learned and accepted over time that this individual is an astute guy so I'm not going to be too arrogant and say he's just absolutely wrong, but I have a lot of doubts that we could double or triple the PoR rewards with little/no impact to the value of the coin. It just goes against everything I know and believe.

As for the voting weight issue. Again I'm just not convinced that it needs wholesale changes. I think 1 GRC should always equal 1 vote. I could be convinced, I think, that it should be possible for the best cruncher, for example (@NeuralMiner I think, currently), to have a mag voting weight that is at least equal to that of the largest whale's stake voting weight. Kinda balance the power that way so that being "rich" in stake doesn't give someone any more power than having an especially high magnitude.

But others disagree with even that. I've seen erkan refer to people with high magnitude as "a different kind of rich" and they don't like those folks having high voting weights either.

The vote weight was recently (within the last year I think?) changed to give GRC balance higher weight vs mag. I think that was a mistake.

In my opinion, mag should be given equal vote weight to balance. In votes regarding the whitelist (which is probably the most common vote we have), which affect crunchers much more than bag holders, it doesn't seem right to have bag holders have greater weight than someone that crunchers the actual projects every day. It's like me telling you what groceries to buy for you to make your food out of.

Secondly, bag holders have no expense. They turn on their wallet, they stake; that's it. Crunchers, in order to keep their mag up (which means their vote weight), need to pay for electricity, hardware upgrades, etc. I turn off my machine for a month, my mag vote will mean nothing, but my balance will still have the same weight. Having a mag voting weight has an associated cost. Having an investor voting weight does not.

Just my opinion.

I'm with you 110% @neuralminer.

I tried to start up a whitelist poll using only Mag, and everyone got all upset because that's not normally the way it's done. People kept saying "you can't exclude the investors."

Well we're not excluding the investors. We're excluding the people who invest and do not mine at all. And that makes perfect sense for a whitelist poll.

And now we have a whitelist poll to include a project that's neck and neck between "Yes" and "No" and there's a No vote from an investor account with a 3-million weight. That project might not get added now, and unless something changes drastically, you could remove that one single vote (or both of the Investor-only votes in that poll) and it would reach a different conclusion when only looking at miner votes.

What I hope those people are proposing does not effect inflation. They are talking about the relation between POS reward and DPOR reward. The DPOR reward is set at 48000 per day divided among every single miner. This means that as GRC gains more miners, each miners payout decreases. POS, on the other hand rewards 1.5%/year. That never changes. This means that whales/stakers are consistently getting 1.5% no matter their number while the reward for miners is continually decreasing. There are a few solutions floating around that somewhat solve this issue, but I have not yet seen something that gets to the root disparity of reward.

If these people are in fact just proposing just minting more coins to give to miners, then yes, that's inflationary and counter-productive.

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