Great article but have you considered that people commit crimes because of human nature? Maybe it's not just as simple as providing them with better options. Or even hoping they choose the best ones for themselves. People are the problem and as long as there's people, society will suffer. You get my upvote, though.
never suggested it's an easy one-stop solution.
"human nature" is a slippery slope of an argument.
of course, ALL crime will never be likely to be stomped out. though also consider, "crime" is a matter of context, defined by societal laws.
I'm too lazy to go pull figures right now, but pretty sure that if you'd look at statistics where either drugs are legalized or government provides free health care and education, crime rates are generally lower. trying to win a battle to end crime altogether is probably futile, though at the least, there are alot of systematic changes that could be made to decrease crime and human suffering...
What I'm trying to say is that human nature might impede the utopian ideal that you have. History is ripe with examples of people doing just that. Modernity and all it's technology doesn't do anything to alter morals and ethics. Not enough to make any system work for too long. While I would love to see this vision as a reality, I just don't think it's practical enough. Still though, it has it's strong points.
yeah, I get it. and my astrology transit of Mars square Mercury warned me I might be a bit aggressive with arguments today, so didn't mean to go on the offensive. lol.
just that the "human nature" piece... oh man. so much cognitive bias at work in the usual uses of that language, attempting to narrow down complexities into something that can be quickly and easily written off as something manageable in two words.
funny, how after reading that - turned back on the Zeitgeist 3 documentary, where it was talking about human society, and how some society have never had violence. point in addressing that = "human nature" can become so subjective... fuck. really can't even begin getting into what I'd like to explain of it right now.
This, I agree upon. Well, partly. Not even so much a matter of "practical," just as a realistic consideration of where we're at in the development of civilization, society, culture, psychology, etc. Any idealism or ideology is most likely doomed to failure, considering the limits of this reality we're living in. These constructs of man are imperfect. There are inherent limitations - perhaps that are a part of human nature, in the sense that we are still relatively young in our development and immature in our wisdom, which takes centuries upon centuries to truly ripen - that will prevent the actualization of such ideals, given the inertia of forces set into place and the time it'd take to alter...
undoubtedly, there are changes we can initiate in this lifetime to influence the direction of our culture and society to solve such challenges and problems. however realistically, they may take alot more lifetimes than this to be full extracted and implemented...
ugh. lol.
I gotcha and i'm not offended. I appreciate the convo. I guess I'm coming from a presupposition that believe's we're all inherently bad or deprived so that even our good or gracious acts are tainted by that. You can call it human nature or sin but it amounts to a whole lot of fallen people trying to find their way. We build these ideals based on good intentions but they always seem to fall short. Any way good convo.
Belief is the key word in that.
Others believe people are inherently good, and it’s society, culture, or poor upbringing that corrupts. I’d personally lean in that direction, though leave belief out of the equation.
And yeah, idealisms nearly always fail to live up to intentions, if for no other reason than they’re based on belief rather than consciousness - distorted maps of the territory full of assumptions and biases rather than a clear vision of the territority, objective honesty, and consciously-directed wisdom of how to harmonize with natural law...
"Crime is a matter of context". Thank You
Quite the distinction, isn't it.
legality varies state to state. a crime is only a crime because a state deems it so.
here in BC, and even now many of the US states, medical marijuana is decriminalized. other countries still have a death penalty for simple possession or use.
same activity. the difference? Context as defined by law.
Story time.. There is a pot dispensary several blocks from my home. I smoked piles of the stuff a couple of decades ago (ok, it's been longer than 20ys) when it was forbidden (still is from a federal stance). I grew up. Now it messes me up so bad I can't stand it. Where's the justice, lol! But seriously, medical CDB stuff hasn't been very helpful to me either.. not constantly or reliably. So my lower back injury from 10 ys ago flares up one morning in July and I'm down for days, unable to take care of anything. I'd heard of kratom for inflammation & chronic pain. Long story, short.. I get this precious cargo via mail order, crying in pain on the way to my mailbox (I could only lay down to ease the torment). 45 minutes- I'm up and walking up a hill to get groceries. TRUTH (I'm leading somewhere with this) I am enjoying Autumn for the first time in years (severe depression and I live in Seattle- it's the wet season). Now I socialize without anxiety (meaning I no longer "don't socialize"). I skip many days- never any withdrawal that I was aware of. I can't say the same for coffee. The inflammation and pain went away -completely- within a few days and hasn't returned. I walk about a mile or more every day now (pain is a GREAT motivator). The articles on google about kratom are often curated BS. Tylenol is far, far more likely to kill you than these tree leaves (albeit very effective and a little euphoric at times. ok a bonus). Leading to this- The DEA in the US was rushing to put this on Schedule 1 narcotics. Delayed only because the chronic pain folks and other groups blew up (but I credit them for stopping to review). Now it's on the waiting list for further review. The FDA is involved of course. They'll probably screw it all up (fear talking). This was the last hope for people like elderly who were buying pills downtown from street dealers because their MD cut them off their Rx to save their license. I've seen this in DT Seattle many times. People on Reddit/kratom who were like that say It's 15 bucks a pill or throw up all day. It is so sad to see these people. Heroin addict who are motivated to quit can do so without the deterrent of horrible withdrawal. This stimulates opiate receptors but it's not the same as opium or synthetics. It's safe and gentle (I know how that may sound). I think that this is the source of hysteria- an emotional knee jerk reaction because people use it to get off hard drugs- from years of conditioning- a war on drugs. It's a war on people, not drugs. Kratom is safer and much, much healthier than alcohol. No one will ban beer or booze (or Wine!) Reddit/kratom I read "haven't had a drink in 10 weeks". For some people, that is HUGE. I'm sorry to take up real estate on your post but you see I am passionate about this, and it's relevant I think. People should know about this option. The govt. says "no known medical use". Well millions of people know very well but again- context.. what is medical? Care or poison? I hope that CA hasn't criminalized this amazing herb. Nature has real solutions, even to help us and our ignorant institutions with our own stupid mistakes. American Kratom Association is fighting to keep kratom legal in the US and I hope they lead the way for our neighbors. Thanks Rok
Holy shit, they’re trying to make Kratom a Schedule 1 drug??? WTF man. NUTS. Just nuts. Not surprising, in a way - but just in disbelief that humanity hasn’t smartened up the least yet...
they all enforce moral relativism, hence are all bunk :)
Moreless, yeah.
I mean, there are some valid points to those around stuff like murder, stealing human trafficking - if for no other reason than they mirror the natural law of a person’s right to experience their own well-being without interference / harm inflicted upon them from another. But those ones are kinda common sense.
Though there are undoubtedly thousands of others which just get rather silly...
yes definitely "lying/murdering" will forever be unethical but when you look at the world, lying and killing by governments is the norm, hence me saying laws are bunk
can't argue with that. ha ha.
one can only know about the human nature in a system that is NOT coercive.. I blog a lot about it... otherwise it is called CONDITIONING :)