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RE: Why bother with circle jerks?
We do not live in a world that is resource driven economy. Those billionaires advocating for a UBI are not advocating for completely changing everything about how the world works. They are not advocating pushing a reset button and THEN trying it.
Thus, UBI when they speak about it is about paying people currency in an equal amount to every human.
That is being proposed to be dumped into the world as it works now.
If you want to press a reset button and switch to resource based I don't think you'd hear those billionaires supporting you as they'd suddenly lose a lot of their power and wealth.
So that leads me to suspect that the UBI they are speaking about is simply cold hard cash given to everyone.
Many of them have a ton of investments. And I am pretty sure I dont want the same thing those billionaires want, just because they call their ideas "UBI". Same for me with many people who called their ideas communism ;).
Also if the people in power will never ever make a fair deal with the world, we are forced to be violent and will most likely lose. I believe as well that all states and big corps are corrupted and will fight to keep the status quo, but that should not stop us from developing alternatives to our current society.