Oh no I'm not trying to pigeon hole you in any way. It's just something I wondered for myself. It's something that I'm starting to notice: all the longer term veterans are really pessimistic it seems like.

From the outskirts it looks like a divide between those who think we have bottomed and those who think we haven't yet and I'm wondering if under the surface that divide is perhaps correlated to the length of time in the space (read: numbed down bitterness). Which will end up being true is a mystery. On one hand the people with more tme in the market have a more historical outlook, but that may be an out-dated approach in a market dominated by people newer to the space.