dMania shuts down

in #dmania6 years ago

On 2nd of May I am going to shut down dMania. At this point I don't see any future for dMania on the Steem platform and I don't see any reason to continue working on the platform.

The journey so far

I had the idea for dMania the first time I saw the posts from @heimindanger and @prc about DTube and DSound. I was fascinated that creating a platform like that would be possible. A platform that rewards the users, rather than the big companies that run them. That is a completely new paradigm shift that wasn't possible before cryptocurriences and blockchain.
As a developer and a big fan of 9GAG and other meme platforms, I immediately knew what I had to do. To create a new kind of meme platform that rewards their users.
When I launched dMania, it was the very first of it's kind. Not only on the Steem platform, but also worldwide. There hasn't been any meme platform that actually rewards their users so far.

The goal of dMania was to create a platform where users can share any kind of funny content and they will get rewarded by the community. The goal was to replace existing platforms like 9GAG, Imgur or Reddit Fun and give the power back to the users.

Obstacles along the journey

Shortly after I launched the platform I noticed memes in general didn't receive much rewards from the community. The problem was that the community compared them with blog posts on Steemit and thought of memes as low value content. Meme platforms have hundreds of millions of users worldwide and they definitely have value to a lot of users. If you compare them to blog posts in terms of amount of work to create them, memes will always be inferior. It's like comparing apples and oranges. You could just as well compare a scientific paper to a blog post and call the blog post low value content.

To overcome that issue I introduced a similar system like utopian-io. The supporter system on dMania collects Steem Power from the community to reward users on the platform. Supporters get part of the rewards, so they have an incentive to support the project.
I worked hard to find new supporters who would support the project. Over the next few months the rewards for users on the platform increased and at least that problem was solved.

That of course created another problem. I was responsible for spreading the rewards among the community.
I think a single person or a small group of users shouldn't be responsible for the rewards of the platform. That just creates a central authority who controls the platform. In case of dMania using such a system would be even worse, because everyone has a different sense of humor. That's why I tried to find a community driven approach, where the community selects the best content by voting.

I tried to spread the rewards equally among the top voted posts on dMania at first. That worked very well until voting bots started to dominate the platform. Voting bots completely manipulate and skew the voting system on the Steem platform.
To overcome that I switched to a voting system where supporters select the best content. Some supporters tried to benefit from the voting system and I tried several approaches to make it work. The main issue is that supporters should only vote on content they like, without any thought how they could benefit from that vote. I think with the last version I solved that issue, but we will never see how that will work out.

A platform for sharing content

dMania was from the beginning a platform for sharing content. Some users called that plagiarism or stealing content. Those users don't understand the meme culture and how it has evolved. On platforms like 9GAG or Imgur over 80% of the content doesn't originate from there. The content comes from all over the internet and is just collected there. Basically any meme, gif or funny video is just based on the post or work of somebody else. That's how meme culture has been from the beginning.
So on a platform like dMania you are rewarded for sharing the content, not necessarily creating the content. It would only be plagiarism if you would claim that content as your own. There is a big difference between plagiarism and sharing.

Some would say it makes a difference because on Steem you get paid and you benefit from the work of somebody else by posting it on dMania. What they don't understand is that somebody already was benefiting, the big companies that run platforms like 9GAG, Imgur or Reddit. Every single top posts on those platforms is worth thousands of dollar to them. The difference to dMania is that those posts now have a price tag and the users get rewarded.

I strongly believe in a community were sharing is everything. A meme is like a joke in form of a picture. For a joke it doesn't matter who created it, it is only important that it is shared and brings joy to people.

Steem is corrupted to its core

At the beginning I was fascinated by the Steem platform and how it rewards the community. I thought finally a platform that gives the control and power back to the community. Unfortunately when you learn the truth it's not so magical anymore. Steem is just like any old system in a new disguise. Only very few users get the majority of the rewards and those aren't the users with the most valuable contributions. Most of the time they don't contribute at all to the platform.

The Steem platform at its current state can only work if users spread the rewards. If everyone only upvotes themselves or sells all their votes, the platform can never work.
Users should have a high incentive to spread their votes and reward others. Only valuable contributions and engagement should be rewarded.
If you look at Steem now you will see a different story. Users selfvote and sell their votes as much as they can. The community doesn't even recognize that vote selling is basically selfvoting. The community even encourages vote selling. At the moment over 30% of the reward pool are already sold. In three to six months over 50% of the reward pool will be sold. A system like that is worse than any system out there. Only very few are really getting rewarded, it's not free and you have to pay to be successful. Nobody will use a system like that and it will result in a massive drop in user numbers.

Who is benefiting from vote selling? Only the whales and the vote bot operators. @freedom gets over $5 million USD a year for selling his votes. A user who has never posted or engaged in the community at all. Many whales do the same. By buying votes you are just making them wealthier and more powerful.
Some whales here on the platform think they are all mighty and powerful. What they are is just one user who is granted too much power by the system. Most of them just care about how much they can get from the reward pool. They don't care about the platform at all.

Developing on Steem

You may have noticed the low number of apps on Steem. The Steem blockchain is already over 2 years old, but there are only a handful of successful apps on Steem. There are no big companies or startups building on Steem.
Why?
Because there is almost no support by the community for those apps. The community just cares about vote selling and to generate more rewards. The voting bot ecosystem flourishes, but not the apps on Steem. There are way more voting bots on Steem than apps.
Apps on Steem almost get no delegations from the community. That's why Steemit Inc. stepped in to support those projects with delegations. They had to because the community did not.

ChainBB,  MultiTube and SteeFun just shut down recently. dMania will be next. With the support of the community and Steemit Inc there could be hundreds of apps on Steem. Now there are just a handful of successful apps and more and more shut down every day.

For creating dMania I was attacked and insulted by other Steemians and developers. An app that contributes to the ecosystem and brings new users. That's what you get when you build on Steem, insults and accusations thrown into your face. 

Daily witch hunt on Steem

You can see it every day on the top of the Trending page. Some user accusing some other user of some kind of abuse. They rather throw accusations at each other than working on a solution.
The current curation system on Steem makes that just a lot easier. Basically everyone can push any content to the top of the Trending page. All you need is to buy some votes or have enough Steem Power.
The problem is that the community didn't vote for that content to be on the top, only a single user did. It is very easy to influence the opinion of the community like that. Most of the users on Steem think the content on the top of Trending must be the most valuable or true. How else would it get there? The truth is, it is just the arbitrariness of a single user or a small group of users.

dMania wasn't target of one, but several witch hunts. dMania has several enemies in the community with too much power  who wanted the project gone. Now they have reached their goal. I hope they are happy.
They manipulated the opinion of the community and spread false information to discredit the project.
It doesn't matter how good dMania gets, they will always try to keep it small. dMania can never be successful in a community like that.

Anyone involved in the project knows that I have always tried to spread the rewards among many users and as fair as possible. I have always used my personal stake to vote and reward as many as possible. I have always used the stake of dMania to reward the community and push the project. I have never made any deals or anything like that. All I ever did was in the best interest of dMania and the Steem platform.

At this point it doesn't matter anyway and I don't have to convince anyone. The project is dead. All you should do is take a look at who is accusing dMania of any abuse and how they are contributing to the platform. Most of the time you will see they are just selfvoting or selling all their votes with more Steem Power than dMania ever had.

Shutting it down

I don't see any future for dMania on the Steem platform, that's why I am shutting down the project on 02.05.2018. All supporters should undelegate and reclaim their delegations. dMania has still over 100k delegations in Steem Power. I will stop the bot and close the Discord server as well. Image hosting will be available for another week.
I will power down and quit the Steem community completely. This will be my last post on Steem.

I want to thank all users and supporters who contributed and supported the project. Unfortunately a project like dMania can't exist on Steem.
If I can I will try to revive the project somewhere else. At the moment the Steem blockchain is the only place to create a project like that. Soon there will be other platforms with a better and fairer system than Steem provides. It's just a matter of time.



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Damn. I think all your reasoning is very poor, but it's your choice. A competitor will take your place.

I think you have listened too much to your emotions and not enough to your reasoning faculties.

It must be a huge disappointment for all those who supported it, and have now had the rug pulled out from under them by the person they supported. Good job on being wishy-washy.

There it is. Right in the blockchain. @seablue is disappointed in you, @zombee. I really can't imagine a worse indictment. I'm not being snarky. I highly respect @seablue's opinions.

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How ironic... DecentMemes just got the go ahead to ramp up development.

Greetings from Memeit.LOL The first opensource Proof of Brain/Proof of Work app on Steem.

You guys really need to work on the mobile UI it’s essentially unusual on a phone.

We are constantly releasing new updates. You can follow along on Github, just search for Memeit.lol Mobile is a top priority of ours.

@memeit.lol Do you have any plans to allow users to upload their own memes?

For the foreseeable future no. We do have an alternative where you can request stock images in our discord at https://discord.gg/e9mhWSG . We believe people not being able to upload images at posting time takes one more step to less plagiarism on the steem blockchain, which is always good.

I see, thanks for the reply. Personally, I don't have a problem when people reshare my memes. I agree with @zombee that part of meme culture is sharing memes that you enjoy. If one wanted others to know that a particular meme originated from them, they could simply brand their memes as I do.

Anyway, I make many custom memes so I'll keep looking for a Steemit app that allows custom images, short videos, and gifs to be uploaded.

We added a new release, that makes it a bit easier to create memes and use the site :)

Mobile still looks bad (needs some div container-fuild). Navbar needs to be larger, you guys need to pull in that JavaScript infinite scroll,

If you want to help, please do. Mobile and UI designs are high on our priority list.

@netuoso plz try to fix decentmemes logo as soon as possible

Might not be the right word exactly but I have been trying to prioritize the different projects I maintain and last night I was talking with a friend of mine that is interested in helping grow https://www.decentmemes.com.

The timing couldn't have been more fitting.

But people create meme's on decentmemes.com, not the same as just sharing meme made by someone else for money. Don't put yourself in the same light as the above. Apple's and soccer balls cannot be compared as the same.

You guys really need to improve your UI. Now that dMania is killed I would use your website, but imo, the whole UI just looks really bad. I think it's somehow very confusing, I would like a UI better that is similar to 9gag. But that's just my two cents.

Yeah both decent memes and memeit.lol aren’t built for mobile first. They are essentially unusable for me. Also both need to look into pulling in javascript code that allows infinite scroll.

I wanted to use it until it asked for my active key.
Thats where i checked out.
Why do you want access to my money?

active key is needed for v2.steemconnect - any app using this needs the active key :(

I cant login decentmemes . When trying to login with steemconnect but get error like this Screenshot_20180501-232713.png

Its an error on decentmeme's end. They have one of their scopes as: comment_delete when it should be delete_comment. @netuoso

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Thats' very selfish. You can easily hand over the project to people who believe in it. I think all the articles I wrote about dMania was a waste of my time and effort.

You talk about centralising the curation when you're the only central point here but you don't see that as a flaw. You are a good developer no doubt about that but being stubborn and not taking the community suggestions is what brought you to where you are now. You really just don't understand STEEM if you think copying memes from imgur and 9gag is worth rewarding.

https://steemit.com/dmania/@lifeaef/dmania-is-going-down-to-5-reputation-or-just-a-warning

https://steemit.com/steemit/@lifeaef/my-experience-curating-in-dmania-and-what-s-my-agenda

https://steemit.com/steemit/@lifeaef/dmania-the-dynamic-is-different-to-9gag-and-how-it-s-a-valuable-platform

Since I delegated to dMania I was trying my best to improve the platform but now I know it's all about who is on the top as you said.

I created a curation trail, which doesn't follow self-upvote, to try and improve the quality of dMania and I'm sorry to waste their time and my time.

We'll see you all in https://decentmemes.com and https://memeit.lol/

...and not taking the community suggestions is what brought you to where you are now.

zombee never takes suggestions from community, from users.
zombee never wonders users opinions.
zombee just makes what he wants.
zombee makes bad/too complex algorithms without taking any suggestion.
then zombee blacklists users because of that bad algorithms without any warning.
don't be like zombee.

I have has been told you @lifeaef, if it is indeed zombee want hear a user platform surely not will happen like this.

You were the one who added value to the platform. You are special

If @zombee was not guilty of what he's accused of doing , he should keep dmania going and prove to everyone that hes not a fraud ! even if he himself gets down voted dMania should live on , it brought a lot of new people to Steemit which is ultimately good for the platform as more people learn about cryptocurrency .This just totally makes him look guilty by not standing up for dMania and leaving steemit . Still standing by him though , we all make mistakes , and when we do we need to shake it off NEVER QUIT and move forward , Lifes to short !! Sigh😕

This is the problem is not because he is making a mistake. But that make dmania died because he never heard platform users. If indeed he will listen to users of the platform is not possible as this. And he did what he did out of mind he does not want to hear the opinion of others.

That makes me not like him is he could not appreciate those who want to make the platform dmania become better again. An example of such as @equ1l1br1um and @lifeaef . They make curation and such as @equ1l1br1um He always make the contest in dmania and it was not for his own interests, but he did this to create a better platform again and want to improve the quality of memes in dmania.

Most importantly, Hear the platform users important and as owner of the platform we must communicate with them and ask for an opinion from them.

This is poor reasoning

lol got another day off...

your point is nonsensical though..

you stand for NOT QUITTING yet support zombee even though he is quitting...

dafuq?

it' all LOL here on steemit...

@teknow you're on the @abusereports naughty list! Bad Steemian!

I stand by what he is saying and that he did nothing seriousely wrong !! it doesnt mean I stand by him leaving steemit and also shutting down dMania , which is what i said in my comment if you read it properly . 😀

shit nothing wrong..

if noting else.. poor management.

anyway it's steemit..

another day another floating ice sheet ... push on.

that ice berg is nearing though.

@teknow you're on the @abusereports naughty list!
If you do not stop, your account will be rendered invisible on Steemit. Bad Steemian! Bad!

BIG WHOOP! make me invisible then that sounds fun!

let me post a contest without your auto flag at least then so i can give away the funds in the wallet to someone deserving.

if not... then....

ABRACADABRA MOTHERFUCKER!

poof

@teknow you're on the @abusereports naughty list!
If you do not stop, your account will be rendered invisible on Steemit. Bad Steemian! Bad!

Have you tried these two platforms ? or they are still in evolution ?

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The open source project behind multi.tube is still being actively developed, and the site is migrating to a more permissive legal jurisdiction and will continue to be available for the Steem community.

The latest update is here:
https://steemit.com/steemdev/@multi.tube/this-site-will-still-close-in-the-next-few-weeks-but-the-project-continues-to-develop

I hope the door hits you in the ass on the way out, schmuck.

Too bad you were so dishonest, why did you fail to mention that in your post? Two bit scammer wannabe.

Don't steal my bold font bitch🖕don't be afraid to talk to me kid...😂 You know I'll bet your parents hit the JERKpot!

Mothafucker shut the fuck off your mouth smells like wet fart .. 😮

@yesman1 you're on the @abusereports naughty list! Bad Steemian!

Vote selling is not the problem.
Self voting is not the problem.
Premining is.
It is should be expected that inequality, corruption and greed will exist.
What is worse and less reasonable is the founders and creators of this platform and their successors whom maintain it now perpetuated them by allowing few to benefit far more than anyone else can, based on early adoption.
Is early adoption due to reading the right thing in the right time the biggest contribution possible that warrants the biggest rewards possible?
According to serial initiator and quitter, the one whom created platforms only to quit them shortly after in order to compete against his own creations, it is.

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Buying votes on comments. That's a-paddlin'

What is paddlin'?
I need translation.
edit: steemit is garbage, so I had to edit my comment, or it would have been taken out of context.
After all, some whales do it too.
You can complain, and as far as I am concerned, you may have a different account with which you do far worse.

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Good point I guess.

You got a 16.67% upvote from @luckyvotes courtesy of @stimialiti!

You got a 25.67% upvote from @sleeplesswhale courtesy of @stimialiti!

This comment has received a 0.80 % upvote from @booster thanks to: @stimialiti.

Upvoted to help restore visibility although I agree with downvoting to not reward rage quitting. The ideal reward for this post is 0.01 or 0.00.

LOL

all out attack on each other at this point then....

LOL here comes EOS....... with the 2.0

dick pumps for everyone!

@teknow you're on the @abusereports naughty list! Bad Steemian!

The funny thing about free markets is that...



One rat leaves the ship and there are already at least 3 competitors hi-jacking his good bye post to promote the replacement.


Damn it where will i put now these two once i have put some text on them so i get the Compelling reward of my self vote - 35% ?


Oh it just occurred to me i can make a post about how my cat was patient enough to allow me to surround him with Ikea Mice and Rats so i could take a picture.

Explain why Ikea rats are cool (and why i have 2 dozens of them)...

How fun my cat is and why STEEM block-chain is not the right place to share my professionally taken cat's pictures and cash 400$

This place has evolved a lot in the past 9 months, what used to be a punishable crime against the block-chain now is called a business model.

In the mean time the chain size keeps growing exponentially because we are encouraging the people making WebPages to show us what the business model should be.

That is how you make 10$ in rewards organically...

Or you sent yourself a bidbot and make 400$ ... who knows...