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RE: You know SBI but do you remember Bernie Madoff Ponzi Scheme

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No, in fact I don't even think 'wrong' is the right word to use at all. We are talking about tech, about code, you would make more sense thinking about 'permitted' or 'not permitted'.

I am permitted, by code, to do what I want with my stake. And so are you. If I wanted to go about not permitting you to downvote me, I would have to change the code. If you wanted to go about not permitting someone of buying votes, I would challenge you to think how that would even be possible. You can use your stake to disuade or disincentivize all you want, but you can never disallow.

In terms of morality - 'right vs wrong' - I'm not sure what you aim to achieve by implanting it with downvotes.

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I am permitted, by code, to do what I want with my stake.

same here, as you said

Yes. And you should also accept responsibility for what you are doing. None of us is getting downvotes from you because we 'buy votes' or for any other reason other than - 'You feel like it'

Are you on discord or Steem.chat?

steem.chat, but I prefer public comments

Fair enough. I just had some questions about your reasoning.

Is your focus on those who “buy” sbi shares for others, otherwise known as buying them a vote? I’ve tried to catch up over comments and posts, but it’s a lot of dis fragmented information. You recently removed a witness vote for the c-squared curation group, and I was told it was for voting the open letter video about the downvoting.. made me curious what was going on so came to look.. and well, it left me with more questions.

It seems every time you try to speak, individuals respond in ways that make it hard to have a conversation, so I thought I would see if you were on any chat apps, but am ok with public comments too and respect that actually quite a bit.

Anywho, comment if you like.. or find me on Steem.chat @justineh

Have a good day.

All my downvotes are manual and goes to "sponsors" who are trying to get in the ring new members and increase own ranking in the circle. They know how to avoid downvotes but they keep sending STEEM to steembasicincome account, their choice

Now, tristancarax spent 200 STEEM for vote buying and wrote a post about it, c-squared upvoted his post. I don't want to have anything to do with witnesses who are supporting #oldsteem.

Do you manually downvote based on the vote amount they received or just full throttle?

I won’t argue with you about c-squared supporting “oldsteem” as we were “newsteem” from the day we were formed.. didn’t even need a hardfork to make us act in the best interest of the platform. If you knew anything about the project, that would be abundantly clear. But quite frankly you can vote for whatever witnesses you want, I won’t argue with that part and we don’t really campaign for votes anyways - I was just curious your reasoning.

I don’t disagree with downvoting those buying votes, no matter what they call it, I would say that downvoting a post that received a 7cent vote for something over and above 7cents seems quite harsh though. Most of these votes are done away by the curve anyways.

Anyways, thanks for the explanation.. I was just curious your reasoning. I appreciate you taking the time to explain it.

Are you C-S curator/account owner? Let's make a deal. C-S will remove this controversial vote, I will approve C-S again.

Ps. Just trying. In fact, I support with my witness vote all major curation groups, because some time ago I realized that most of the people here "jerking in own circles" and doesn't care about content discovery

I am one of the co founders, yes.

We won’t be removing any votes unless the content is plagiarism, etc.

C-squared is a crowd sourced community curation group. Content is brought in by the community and reviewed by other community curators with a “voter” role. Admin oversees and doubles checks all votes for plagiarism, spam or abuse. It requires at least two sets of eyes to deem it worthy of additional support in this case. The project did nothing wrong in voting said content in my opinion, whether I “agree” with the content or not.. the community found value in it, so it received support.

You say it’s a controversial vote, how so? Was the post abusive, spam or plagiarism? Was the vote not cast after manual review? Or do you say so just because content you did not agree with?

I appreciate you supporting manual curation, and actually somewhat agree with your overall goal here to stop vote buying, whether I agree with your tact or not.. but I won’t be removing votes, as there is nothing wrong with the content and we don’t do trades for witness votes, heck we don’t even campaign to get votes. That’s just not how we do things.

We manually curate, that’s it.. and our numbers and track record speaks for itself.

If you want to support that, awesome.. if you don’t, we understand that too.

But no deals will be made.

@mmmmkkkk311 is attempting to use his flags to intimidate Steemians into abandoning their support for @steembasicincome.


He baselessly claims it is a "ponzi scheme" which just shows that either he doesn't understand how it works or (more likely) he just doesn't understand what a ponzi scheme even is! And the blatant hypocrisy in him trying to fight "vote selling" when that is exactly what he did with his bidbot! As as bidbot owner with over a dozen alt accounts he is in no place to judge what is right or wrong here on Steem. Now he is mad that his scam has ended. So like an upset child, he has decided to take out his anger (caused only by his own failures) on other innocent people. Making him nothing more than a big bully!

MK admits to running a bidbot

Actual account who was "wrecked by @mmmmkkkk311 (for holding sbi shares)"

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I am here to counter @mmmmkkkk311's bullying. I will upvote every post/comment that he downvotes. You can support my anti bullying upvotes by delegating (links below) Steem Power to @ilovemk311. And you can help keep this message visible by upvoting this comment or by purchasing SBI shares for @mk311isabully which will help to counter the downvotes that @mmmmkkkk311 will surely send my way. Which I highly encourage him to do as the more downvoting power he wastes on me the less he can use to downvote the real content creators here on Steem that would otherwise become his victims!

Choose a delegation amount

5 | 10 | 20 | 50 | 100 | 500 | 1000

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I ask YOU my fellow Steemians to help me take a stand for our Steem community.

With this jerk bullying innocent people we are seeing many great content creators leave due to the drama and negativity that @mmmmkkkk311's downvote campaign brings to the blockchain. While he claims he is trying to defend his investment he is actually unwittingly destroying it.

SBI is an initiative that has done nothing but help promote onboarding and community building here on the Steem blockchain. Let us not turn our back on it out of fear for getting downvoted. Instead lets stand up for this great initiative that has helped so many people and helped the Steem community to grow and thrive!

Thank you.

@mmmmkkkk311 is attempting to use his flags to intimidate Steemians into abandoning their support for @steembasicincome.


He baselessly claims it is a "ponzi scheme" which just shows that either he doesn't understand how it works or (more likely) he just doesn't understand what a ponzi scheme even is! And the blatant hypocrisy in him trying to fight "vote selling" when that is exactly what he did with his bidbot! As as bidbot owner with over a dozen alt accounts he is in no place to judge what is right or wrong here on Steem. Now he is mad that his scam has ended. So like an upset child, he has decided to take out his anger (caused only by his own failures) on other innocent people. Making him nothing more than a big bully!

MK admits to running a bidbot

Actual account who was "wrecked by @mmmmkkkk311 (for holding sbi shares)"

bully.png

I am here to counter @mmmmkkkk311's bullying. I will upvote every post/comment that he downvotes. You can support my anti bullying upvotes by delegating (links below) Steem Power to @ilovemk311. And you can help keep this message visible by upvoting this comment or by purchasing SBI shares for @mk311isabully which will help to counter the downvotes that @mmmmkkkk311 will surely send my way. Which I highly encourage him to do as the more downvoting power he wastes on me the less he can use to downvote the real content creators here on Steem that would otherwise become his victims!

Choose a delegation amount

5 | 10 | 20 | 50 | 100 | 500 | 1000

external-content.duckduckgo-1.jpg

I ask YOU my fellow Steemians to help me take a stand for our Steem community.

With this jerk bullying innocent people we are seeing many great content creators leave due to the drama and negativity that @mmmmkkkk311's downvote campaign brings to the blockchain. While he claims he is trying to defend his investment he is actually unwittingly destroying it.

SBI is an initiative that has done nothing but help promote onboarding and community building here on the Steem blockchain. Let us not turn our back on it out of fear for getting downvoted. Instead lets stand up for this great initiative that has helped so many people and helped the Steem community to grow and thrive!

Thank you.

@mmmmkkkk311 is attempting to use his flags to intimidate Steemians into abandoning their support for @steembasicincome.


He baselessly claims it is a "ponzi scheme" which just shows that either he doesn't understand how it works or (more likely) he just doesn't understand what a ponzi scheme even is! And the blatant hypocrisy in him trying to fight "vote selling" when that is exactly what he did with his bidbot! As as bidbot owner with over a dozen alt accounts he is in no place to judge what is right or wrong here on Steem. Now he is mad that his scam has ended. So like an upset child, he has decided to take out his anger (caused only by his own failures) on other innocent people. Making him nothing more than a big bully!

MK admits to running a bidbot

Actual account who was "wrecked by @mmmmkkkk311 (for holding sbi shares)"

bully.png

I am here to counter @mmmmkkkk311's bullying. I will upvote every post/comment that he downvotes. You can support my anti bullying upvotes by delegating (links below) Steem Power to @ilovemk311. And you can help keep this message visible by upvoting this comment or by purchasing SBI shares for @mk311isabully which will help to counter the downvotes that @mmmmkkkk311 will surely send my way. Which I highly encourage him to do as the more downvoting power he wastes on me the less he can use to downvote the real content creators here on Steem that would otherwise become his victims!

Choose a delegation amount

5 | 10 | 20 | 50 | 100 | 500 | 1000

external-content.duckduckgo-1.jpg

I ask YOU my fellow Steemians to help me take a stand for our Steem community.

With this jerk bullying innocent people we are seeing many great content creators leave due to the drama and negativity that @mmmmkkkk311's downvote campaign brings to the blockchain. While he claims he is trying to defend his investment he is actually unwittingly destroying it.

SBI is an initiative that has done nothing but help promote onboarding and community building here on the Steem blockchain. Let us not turn our back on it out of fear for getting downvoted. Instead lets stand up for this great initiative that has helped so many people and helped the Steem community to grow and thrive!

Thank you.

Why are earth do you want us to collect more evidence against you, @
mmmmkkkk311? Quite confident for someone who hasn't been able to keep their story straight throughout any of the threads. Weird, but okay. You do you.

Why would you respond to his comment to me? Take your rage elsewhere, perhaps your own post or comments. Pretty sure individuals are still allowed to comment on this platform.. if you don’t like it, use those downvotes bro 🙂

Rage isn't quite the right word but I do see your point. I'll agree that I am pissed. This dude steps on people like me because he has money and doesn't care about others, only himself. This type of stuff has never sat well with me and I do speak up and out against it, even if he continues to take the pennies I earn for the hours of work I usually have put into a post, beside a freewrite where the whole point is to do the best you can in x amount of time but even those may take an hour or more.

He keeps hoping around and if/when he does speak to people, his story keeps changing slightly. Very fishy. I've been around people like this before and they are a drain on society.

Not gonna use a down vote. Why would I? I seek peace not this continued war the dude has made against an entire community for receiving pennies.

Maybe, quite possibly/probably, my tacked is a bit off. I'll sit back and learn but if he goes on some bs, I'll find it in his own comments where he stated otherwise and post it here.

I understand your frustration completely and believe it’s one of the hurdles of a shared inflation pool, and a complete misunderstanding of how it works by most users.

It’s like we are all playing in one sandbox, with different goals etc.

I came here to ask a question, as while I fully support using ones stake to allocate that shared inflation to what they see adds value (or reallocating in the case of downvotes), I generally like to know the why. Why gives a possible avenue for a solution that benefits all.

I must leave a comment about what he has stated.

All my downvotes are manual and goes to "sponsors" who are trying to get in the ring new members and increase own ranking in the circle.

"All" his downvotes manual and only going after sponsors ... 😂😂😂 Please, go look at the different threads and you will find people who never sponsored anyone. They received the share because someone somewhere valued their work at wanted to give them something.

New members ... Yeah, I admit. A couple may have received their very first share. As for the rest, the list of people were from the comments they themselves left on his four posts prior to me releasing "Steem N' Roses." Other where from the upvotes these people either left manually or have set to auto upvote someone they trust and follow.

Or they are members of whom I know have SBI shares who have been visiously attacked by this person.

As for the other 60 he left out, they all own shares and the list was given to me by @josephsavage, the discussion can be found within "Steem N' Roses."

My point is that I pulled in close to no new members.

They know how to avoid downvotes but they keep sending STEEM to steembasicincome account, their choice

Sounds like a threat to me.

Now, tristancarax spent 200 STEEM for vote buying and wrote a post about it, c-squared upvoted his post. I don't want to have anything to do with witnesses who are supporting

260 people. Geeze! And more still to come. Guilty as charged.

Oh, my God! Those people that got 1 whole extra share will get a whole whopping 0.003, maybe less - I'm not sure how it calculates. I'm pretty sure it isn't enough to completely destroy his piggy bank. I could be wrong. 😀

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@justineh, thanks for your kind response. This helps me feel like I'm being heard. Thanks again.

@mariuszkarowski - a.k.a. @mmmmkkkk311 - isn't considering the above at all. He is simply attacking people who are bringing value to the platform because he doesn't like the program and thinks what he thinks is correct without giving any evidence to back up what he says and without learning about it (you can scroll through the feeds yourself to see if I'm telling you the truth or not).

I'm a homeless person who makes cents on the hours of work I may put into a post. This is not what I'm worth; I'm worth so much more but I'm willing to work for little at this current time because I love this place and what it has done for me. I have a community that I belong to. This is so not normal for me in my everyday life. My writing has improved and I continue to strive to improve, not only because of the above pic, but also because I do get support from you over at @c-squared and a few others from time to time - which makes my DAY! - From what I've noticed, you guys don't support those who fit into the above pic. either. - No other platform that I've been on has been so supportive.

It sickens a lot of us to see greedy people like @mariuszkarowski - a.k.a. @mmmmkkkk311 - destroying this place. However, because most of us are poor, our voices are not heard and/or listened too (this comes after being here consistently for about two years now and sitting back and reading, as I'm usually not prone to just open my mouth because I want to hear myself talk).

I do hope you will continue to support creative people, like myself, who bring so much to this platform and get paid nothing in compared to what they are actually worth instead of cowing down to some greedy _______ (insert word of choice) who has a lot of money behind him. The platform can survive without greedy people but it can't survive without content creators who bring the best work they can day in and day out to this platform.

One more thing: @mariuszkarowski - a.k.a. @mmmmkkkk311 - was a bid-bot owner. Let's ask him if there was any critira to be met in order to get an many upvotes, which may or may not have bee a profitable ROI. My guess, after having used them but a couple times in the past, NO would be the answer. If it was yes, then we would need to delve in further about why he hates @sbi so much and why he isn't willing to look at the facts and make an informed decision from the facts instead of giving us only what he thinks (which is only an opinion) about what he thinks he sees going on.

Thanks for your attention in this matter.

@mmmmkkkk311 is attempting to use his flags to intimidate Steemians into abandoning their support for @steembasicincome.


He baselessly claims it is a "ponzi scheme" which just shows that either he doesn't understand how it works or (more likely) he just doesn't understand what a ponzi scheme even is! And the blatant hypocrisy in him trying to fight "vote selling" when that is exactly what he did with his bidbot! As as bidbot owner with over a dozen alt accounts he is in no place to judge what is right or wrong here on Steem. Now he is mad that his scam has ended. So like an upset child, he has decided to take out his anger (caused only by his own failures) on other innocent people. Making him nothing more than a big bully!

MK admits to running a bidbot

Actual account who was "wrecked by @mmmmkkkk311 (for holding sbi shares)"

bully.png

I am here to counter @mmmmkkkk311's bullying. I will upvote every post/comment that he downvotes. You can support my anti bullying upvotes by delegating (links below) Steem Power to @ilovemk311. And you can help keep this message visible by upvoting this comment or by purchasing SBI shares for @mk311isabully which will help to counter the downvotes that @mmmmkkkk311 will surely send my way. Which I highly encourage him to do as the more downvoting power he wastes on me the less he can use to downvote the real content creators here on Steem that would otherwise become his victims!

Choose a delegation amount

5 | 10 | 20 | 50 | 100 | 500 | 1000

external-content.duckduckgo-1.jpg

I ask YOU my fellow Steemians to help me take a stand for our Steem community.

With this jerk bullying innocent people we are seeing many great content creators leave due to the drama and negativity that @mmmmkkkk311's downvote campaign brings to the blockchain. While he claims he is trying to defend his investment he is actually unwittingly destroying it.

SBI is an initiative that has done nothing but help promote onboarding and community building here on the Steem blockchain. Let us not turn our back on it out of fear for getting downvoted. Instead lets stand up for this great initiative that has helped so many people and helped the Steem community to grow and thrive!

Thank you.