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RE: Does Freedom Require Radical Transparency or Radical Privacy?

in #eos7 years ago

All of those violent acts are committed by people who hide behind secrecy: the police, the law makers, the regulators. It is their violent acts that need to be exposed and individuals need to take personal responsibility.

Yes, radical transparency would have kept Ross out of jail because he wouldn't have operated that business. His problem was his belief in privacy was illusionary.

I could add a few more:

What about the extortionist?
What about the kid napper?
What about the thief?
What about the hitman?

You see the same thing that enables the sex worker also enables all of these bad things. The existence of these bad things is the basis of justification for rule by force and government invasion of our privacy. We need non-violent solutions to these bad things.

In a world with complete transparency, no one would dare throw stones for trivial things least they be found guilty of assault.

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In a world with complete transparency, no one would dare throw stones for trivial things least they be found guilty of assault.

I think this sums up your idea nicely and it was implied but I think seeing it written explicitly helped.

Violence is human nature, we can never eradicate it but we can certainly find new ways to prosecute and prevent it!

They will throws stones at everybody. Just at their enemies. And the structure of the data will be one that is usable only by a few. The uneducated and the poor had always a disadvantage. Likewise their children. Unfortunately.

"You see the same thing that enables the sex worker also enables all of these bad things. "

Yes, that is the nature of useful tools. A gun that can defend a woman from a rapist can also be used to rob a bank. A fire that can prevent you from freezing to death can also burn your house down. And a private currency that allows a sex worker to run her business unmolested, will also allow a ransomware thief to spend their stolen goods.

The fact that they can be used for ill purposes doesn't mean we should refuse to use guns, fire, and private currencies though.

both transparency and secrecy could be used to take away the lever someone might use to harm you. Both can be useful tools, no? And transparency is the lower energy and thus easier of the two states to be in, so the route of transparency might be more often favorable.

I'm all for forcing governments to be completely transparent. Transparency is fine if you're a strong player.

However, I think that secrecy and privacy are one of the few ways that weak players can defend themselves against overwhelmingly stronger attackers.

There are many successful examples - The Underground Railroad
I'm with you on that thinking

I don't think you can have transparent governments while also allowing privacy for the individual. It's run by the individuals after all. They will use privacy tools for individuals to stay corrupt.

We don't need to know Trump's sexual fetishes or his taste in music to be able to see his dealings with Russia. If we can legislate transparent governmental activity while allowing optional privacy for individuals, we can bypass this supposedly blurry line.

"All of those violent acts are committed by people who hide behind secrecy: the police, the law makers, the regulators. "

What secrecy are you talking about? Law enforcement makes no secret of their willingness to put people in jail for victimless crimes. They even wear cameras and film themselves doing it.

Those who rule over governments have their secrets.

The governments of today are shrouded in mystery. Yes we see the presidents, yet we see them not. Governments are fast turning into business deals that the highest bidder uses to promote his/her interests, and maybe a few interests of the country.

The most amazing fact is that despite the large amount of people required to rule as a ''government'' the power is consolidated in the hands of the elite few.

Secrecy is in the information you don't have of them and in the inequality from their knowing so much about us

Secrecy is in the information you don't have of them and in the inequality from their knowing so much about you or us

if you care about the platform do something about this abuse...grumpy cat is gaming the reward pool

https://steemit.com/@checkthisout/transfers

Thanks Dan. It's amazing to see people beginning to put things in place for a true renaissance of humankind.

All throughout time controlling forces have used information against us. But viewed from another perspective, it's actually been the obfuscation of information (lies buried in half truths) that has done the most damage.

Even on a "private" block chain, the evolution of AI will mean those in power can "see through" the privacy layers and get the information they desire.

Only those with the resources will be able to use AI to unlock private block chains and we all know who that'll be (government and criminal entities).

I for one am looking forward to open block chains where we can truly share information. We can analyse the macro without having to pay for the data from big corporates.

Even those who hide in private chains or chain privacy layers will have to link to public chains eventually...

I see a future where the open chains literally keep bad actors out because they can't interact with them from fear of exposing themselves (we'll be able to track corruption through movement of currency & assets into and out of the public chains).

In short, game theory. You wanted our data... here it is, every bit and byte and guess what... we see you too :-)

I have never been in support of confidencial or privacy. If what you are doing is worth prasing and appluding, you will never choose to work secretive unless you are CIA officials even though the still leakout their plans for backups.
I strongly vote for radical transparency all,even God himself is plan, the scripture gives details on how to access God so transparency reveals true leadership, mentorship and membership.
Thank you all.

What you meant is perfectly achievable but it works only when we lose the fear of the other.

As long as the truth of this world is that 'the other people' can hurt us, this will not work, as our transparency will make us the target. At the best we can defend ourselves that we are the right people and the others are bad ones, while still being the victim and perpetually suffering.

But this will be different in a world in which the truth is that we are the product of our thoughts and the others can touch us only if we allow them to. In that kind of a world, your idea works perfectly.

Then the question becomes, which of these truths holds true in our world, and it had been historically impossible to choose an answer agreeable by everyone.

I think both of you are right. Neither 'cypherpunk nirvana' nor 'transparency nirvana' are desirable. Aside from being impossible scenarios they are not opposites, as you seem to assume. @dakini5d rightfully pointed out that privacy and secrecy are not the same.

The government is the world's system and one major characteristic of such system is selfishness. Thank you so much @dan for being co-creating one system, the steemit blockchain which is a complete opposite of selfish. You are not only a voice but an exceptional one and as I went through your article, I see wisdom laced on every sentence. God bless you. By the way, was super glad when I found out just recently you are a believer. Just as how Christ was sent, there's no doubt, you are also sent.