Well, some people wouldn't mind seeing movie suggestions and trailers to know what movies to view. I for one, that's how I get to decide which movie to watch. That might also be a bit of bullying as well. Posting just quotes I can relate. But what if content related to that, that's what keeps some people coming back to steemit? There has to be balance to everything, and I for one won't be rushing in to criticise people that post trailers..maybe some of them could just make a little more effort, yes.
This is suppose to be a site for original contents. Posting just trailers that have been moved straight to here from YouTube is not original content. If it is accompanied by commentary and reviews that was written by the person who post it then yes, by all means we welcome that. Otherwise, you are profiting upon other people's content which is just not right.
This site is not just for original or long form content. I can see how you would get that impression from some of the zealots though. The site is a social network inspired by reddit and I share interesting links as intended. The content was designed to be shared just as it is being done.
The movie content creators hope for such a thing. Sharing content is a huge part of any successful social media network. To not recognize that is myopic.
You're a hypocrite. You run vote bots. Yeah I went to the market and purchased SBD helping drive up the price and volume on the market and then spent that on votes to promote my account so what? I'm helping the Steem economy. You don't really have a point that makes sense here. I invested in the account via the promotion systems like the ones you own and operate, I'm not ashamed of that.
Some people did flag me and asked that I not go over $50sbd. The reason others don't flag me is because they aren't as small minded as you. They can see it's obviously not spam or plagirism and is exactly how one would use reddit, twitter or facebook. They recognize actions like yours only serve to hurt the platform and turn away adoption from a mainstream user base. You are literally punishing me for using the site and promotion bots as was intended.
It's also kind of ironic that you would title this post "flagging is not censorship" and then you go and use flags to censor all the posts on the account.
If flagging isn't censorship how did all these post get censored by your flags?
Or the previous ones you flagged into censorship which caused me to return to vote buying to fight back.
Stop pretending like you aren't censoring, own up to the fact you aren't fighting spam you're just censoring content you deem low effort. You're just doing your best to make sure Steem isn't fast and easy to use. Great marketing genius you are. Make sure everyone knows that you have to spend a long time and work really hard writing essays to earn Steem. Don't risk buying SBD and investing in your account because that douche whale @themarkymark might not like it. If it's fun and easy don't even bother he'll flag you down. You've obviously never been involved in building a successful online community.
I know this comment was hard for you since there was nothing you could cut and paste.
They didn't get censored, you can still see them just fine or just go to YouTube and watch the original. I just didn't want to be bothered calculating the exact amount. You were not censored, your rewards were just adjusted to more accurately reflect the effort.
You are mistaken. It is not automated with zero effort. It is manually curated to avoid duplicates and while not being a huge burden does take some effort to maintain a centralized list of recent movie trailers. Day in and day out for almost two years now. I was doing it when they made a penny or less. It's curated link shaing with a specific theme as every social network has.
The fact is there are some people that enjoy the content and the account does add something unique to the community.
I think what's happening here is that everyone more or less thinks it's fine you share trailers and articles, but the reward for doing so was simply too much considering the level of effort. Curating trailers or copying most of an article and "quoting it" isn't at all difficult or represent something original.
Iyho, why does Steemit allow this abuse of the reward pool? Saying they have no viable solution is an insult to developers everywhere.
Imho, I sense that there is profit for the persons with the biggest Wallets. After a few months on this platform, I believe that for many this is all the Steem platforms are really about. Not to sound negative; but, jmho.
I respect the energy put into keeping the conversation alive; but, it soon becomes like being in a room full of people, talking to the wall; because the ones with the greatest concerns, apparently aren't making the rules.
Ughm, let's see...kitchen knives are a good thing for a good purpose; BUT could be used for harm in the wrong hands.
I'm not sure I follow your analogy; but, carry on. Apathy is the worst thing one can let fester. Posts such as yours keep ALL mindful of the problems with the platform. Eventually, positive change will happen with reward abuse; or something new will come along, leaving this platform to resemble Facebook's current dinosaur morph.
I truly dont understand why you would want to do this. Would it really be that hard to take it down to 2 posts a day and write a 500 word review of the trailer or whatever. Gave us your thoughts? I mean even your GPU post im looking at has like 40 words you have written.
I truly dont understand that. Instead you have a witness coming after you. Youre making the rest of us feel stupid for not upvoting ourselves to the moon, having 10 times the quality in our content.
This behavior is all just shitty shit shit shitty shit! I know its all "online, virtual, whatever", but cmon people!
Run this by those making the films and those who hold the copyrights - pretty sure you'll change your ideas about it quickly - sharing somone else's content and making money with it while not having a revenue splitting agreement is a good way to end up sleeping in a cardboard box. Do you know how fucking crazy Disney is? But what do I know..... It's not like I work in the industry..... Not like I've personally sued people over ad rev on sites streaming my films or films I'm affiliated with.
The amount of exposure you're providing for the content creator compared to the $$ you're bringing in is insanely unbalanced.
Hell why not use your platform/ status for good. Start sharing independent films / short films and do a 60/40 split with the creator - I've go a few I'd love the opertunity to make money on. Not even kidding.
Those making the films encourage them to be shared in this fashion hence why they publish them on a site that encourages embedding and sharing of their videos. Everything I've done is completely on the up and up as far as copyright is concerned.
This is the intended behavior for the content and a highly appropriate place to share it.
In all honesty, the ethical thing to do is to decline payout when you copy/paste these trailers. You shouldn't be paid for PSAs.
If you actually put in your own analysis, comments, etc. into those contents, then you can probably monetize it.
As of now, you are just setting yourself up for massive law suits when the authors/copyright holders find out about you. Last time I checked, Reddit doesn't pay out users for regurgitating what's already on the Internet. Karma points aren't money.
I combined my love of watching movie trailers with a nifty social network that pays you for using it. I see nothing wrong with receiving rewards for using the site as intended. People gain plenty of likes, upvotes, retweets on other social networks for sharing this type of content. I have not broken any terms of service or laws. The rights holders can revoke access to their material at any time but they won't since it's what they want. They literally pay to have these trailers shown on television.
I thought about a lengthy response, but I figure it's easier to keep it simple
tl;dr - It'll be easier if you just do a 500-word review. You'll get these guys off your back, and possibly save yourself some future headaches when the holders do notice.
Sharing with other users for free and reproducing for profit is two completely different concept. You might actually be breaking some law here I am not sure.
Regardless, if you think that reposting trailers are OK arguing that it is allowed here, then remember that flagging is also allow as an organic way for users to express displease to your content. So it is not censorship, it's just part of the game. As @enuser48 suggest, why don't you just write a small review for each trailer you post? I am sure whoever is reading it would appreciate it.
The fact that flagging is allowed doesn't support the assertion that it doesn't result in censorship. I write reviews and summary's on my main account @movietrailers has a specific theme and some people enjoy it. It serves a niche and most certainly doesn't deserve being auto spammed as a scam.
In the first case we see an example of censorship of flagging an example, in the opposite direction of its opposite direction as it can download 19 user content at home, in many ways how actively posted nearly five movie trailers, which develops 30 dollars from any of them used for 200 dollars etc. Discussions come with popular power steam power steam There are a lot of issues to discuss as well yesa and steem dollar and some of these topics briefly discussed gunabalisampanna does a lot of the conversation through the fire to the talking posts
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Steemit and the old greed bid bots owner. I hope for a day that bid bots become useless or not profitable at all. Maybe then Steemit could be a better place in which content creators are truly reward. Right now this place is a big circle jerk in which "Witness" and their whales friend gets all the Steem/Money just because they were here/bought steem when it cost cents. Funny too see some people believing this shit will take over Facebook and other social media LOL
nice post and give enlightement
i have experience with down vote. Sometime a minnows didn't know why he got flag or down vote.
i upvote and comment a @haejin post then i got down vote from @kimjongpoo.
i was shock, in my mind i say why he down vote me?
Any way i thought possitively. It may be the way to teach me sail the steemit ocean.
I hate users who just copy and paste, especially when they do it in the name of curation, but that is a topic for another day. For the record, that photo plus your title made me literally laugh out loud... thanks for that.
Its understandable that most don't want to participate on the flag wars because
Have not enough SP to make a difference (my case)
Know that some of the abusers have agreements with some whales
Its the case of CJ here, even pointing this out puts me in harms way, but its not like this is a secret.
So to me the conversation becomes, if the ones who are supposed to protect the blockchain actively participate on its abuse. What can I possibly do?
I will concentrate on supporting good initiatives, witnesses who I believe are working on good things and hopefully those efforts will outweigh the abuse.
It's not perfect, it's not ideal... but its reality.
I'll change my wording to something less aggressive sounding... soft farming sbd. but listen man... we may not see eye to eye on the subject but I'm not going to attack you, insult you or anything of the sort... we don't know each other, I have no reason to think you are a bad person... I'm simply stating my disagreement with the behavior, not the person.
We have to agree to disagree, because I think copy paste has no merit but you do. That's OK, we had this conversation before.
Thanks for getting back to me - I've submitted it to them my self on discord - their response was "we don't handle videos" - ok then.
I'm spending hours / days on writing Posts - spending time and money to go out and take pictures and I usually make nothing - this guys stealing content and cashing in. The money is secondary to principal. Hard work should be rewarded - theft and scammy bullshit should be stomped out.
Well, some people wouldn't mind seeing movie suggestions and trailers to know what movies to view. I for one, that's how I get to decide which movie to watch. That might also be a bit of bullying as well. Posting just quotes I can relate. But what if content related to that, that's what keeps some people coming back to steemit? There has to be balance to everything, and I for one won't be rushing in to criticise people that post trailers..maybe some of them could just make a little more effort, yes.
This is suppose to be a site for original contents. Posting just trailers that have been moved straight to here from YouTube is not original content. If it is accompanied by commentary and reviews that was written by the person who post it then yes, by all means we welcome that. Otherwise, you are profiting upon other people's content which is just not right.
This site is not just for original or long form content. I can see how you would get that impression from some of the zealots though. The site is a social network inspired by reddit and I share interesting links as intended. The content was designed to be shared just as it is being done.
The movie content creators hope for such a thing. Sharing content is a huge part of any successful social media network. To not recognize that is myopic.
You are so full of shit, if that was true, you wouldn't need to do this:
Over $200 five times a day for linking a movie trailer? It's a shame no one else will flag your bullshit.
You're a hypocrite. You run vote bots. Yeah I went to the market and purchased SBD helping drive up the price and volume on the market and then spent that on votes to promote my account so what? I'm helping the Steem economy. You don't really have a point that makes sense here. I invested in the account via the promotion systems like the ones you own and operate, I'm not ashamed of that.
Some people did flag me and asked that I not go over $50sbd. The reason others don't flag me is because they aren't as small minded as you. They can see it's obviously not spam or plagirism and is exactly how one would use reddit, twitter or facebook. They recognize actions like yours only serve to hurt the platform and turn away adoption from a mainstream user base. You are literally punishing me for using the site and promotion bots as was intended.
It's also kind of ironic that you would title this post "flagging is not censorship" and then you go and use flags to censor all the posts on the account.
If flagging isn't censorship how did all these post get censored by your flags?
Or the previous ones you flagged into censorship which caused me to return to vote buying to fight back.
Stop pretending like you aren't censoring, own up to the fact you aren't fighting spam you're just censoring content you deem low effort. You're just doing your best to make sure Steem isn't fast and easy to use. Great marketing genius you are. Make sure everyone knows that you have to spend a long time and work really hard writing essays to earn Steem. Don't risk buying SBD and investing in your account because that douche whale @themarkymark might not like it. If it's fun and easy don't even bother he'll flag you down. You've obviously never been involved in building a successful online community.
I know this comment was hard for you since there was nothing you could cut and paste.
They didn't get censored, you can still see them just fine or just go to YouTube and watch the original. I just didn't want to be bothered calculating the exact amount. You were not censored, your rewards were just adjusted to more accurately reflect the effort.
How is automating/pasting youtube links with zero added value either your voice or good content?
Again, where is YOUR voice? You are adding nothing unique to the community. Zero.
I think you need to read what Steemit is about
https://steemit.com/faq.html#What_is_Steemit_com
You are mistaken. It is not automated with zero effort. It is manually curated to avoid duplicates and while not being a huge burden does take some effort to maintain a centralized list of recent movie trailers. Day in and day out for almost two years now. I was doing it when they made a penny or less. It's curated link shaing with a specific theme as every social network has.
The fact is there are some people that enjoy the content and the account does add something unique to the community.
So it is copypasta.
Why not spend a few more seconds to write something unique? Where is your voice in this effort?
If the only effort is remembering if you pasted the link before then it is not really what I would call adding value.
I think what's happening here is that everyone more or less thinks it's fine you share trailers and articles, but the reward for doing so was simply too much considering the level of effort. Curating trailers or copying most of an article and "quoting it" isn't at all difficult or represent something original.
Okay, I will ask the rhetorical question.
Iyho, why does Steemit allow this abuse of the reward pool? Saying they have no viable solution is an insult to developers everywhere.
Imho, I sense that there is profit for the persons with the biggest Wallets. After a few months on this platform, I believe that for many this is all the Steem platforms are really about. Not to sound negative; but, jmho.
I respect the energy put into keeping the conversation alive; but, it soon becomes like being in a room full of people, talking to the wall; because the ones with the greatest concerns, apparently aren't making the rules.
Best regards.
Peace.
Same reason I suspect the government allows people to have kitchen knives when they can be used to kill people.
Ughm, let's see...kitchen knives are a good thing for a good purpose; BUT could be used for harm in the wrong hands.
I'm not sure I follow your analogy; but, carry on. Apathy is the worst thing one can let fester. Posts such as yours keep ALL mindful of the problems with the platform. Eventually, positive change will happen with reward abuse; or something new will come along, leaving this platform to resemble Facebook's current dinosaur morph.
Best regards.
Peace.
I truly dont understand why you would want to do this. Would it really be that hard to take it down to 2 posts a day and write a 500 word review of the trailer or whatever. Gave us your thoughts? I mean even your GPU post im looking at has like 40 words you have written.
I truly dont understand that. Instead you have a witness coming after you. Youre making the rest of us feel stupid for not upvoting ourselves to the moon, having 10 times the quality in our content.
This behavior is all just shitty shit shit shitty shit! I know its all "online, virtual, whatever", but cmon people!
Run this by those making the films and those who hold the copyrights - pretty sure you'll change your ideas about it quickly - sharing somone else's content and making money with it while not having a revenue splitting agreement is a good way to end up sleeping in a cardboard box. Do you know how fucking crazy Disney is? But what do I know..... It's not like I work in the industry..... Not like I've personally sued people over ad rev on sites streaming my films or films I'm affiliated with.
The amount of exposure you're providing for the content creator compared to the $$ you're bringing in is insanely unbalanced.
Hell why not use your platform/ status for good. Start sharing independent films / short films and do a 60/40 split with the creator - I've go a few I'd love the opertunity to make money on. Not even kidding.
Those making the films encourage them to be shared in this fashion hence why they publish them on a site that encourages embedding and sharing of their videos. Everything I've done is completely on the up and up as far as copyright is concerned.
This is the intended behavior for the content and a highly appropriate place to share it.
In all honesty, the ethical thing to do is to decline payout when you copy/paste these trailers. You shouldn't be paid for PSAs.
If you actually put in your own analysis, comments, etc. into those contents, then you can probably monetize it.
As of now, you are just setting yourself up for massive law suits when the authors/copyright holders find out about you. Last time I checked, Reddit doesn't pay out users for regurgitating what's already on the Internet. Karma points aren't money.
I combined my love of watching movie trailers with a nifty social network that pays you for using it. I see nothing wrong with receiving rewards for using the site as intended. People gain plenty of likes, upvotes, retweets on other social networks for sharing this type of content. I have not broken any terms of service or laws. The rights holders can revoke access to their material at any time but they won't since it's what they want. They literally pay to have these trailers shown on television.
I thought about a lengthy response, but I figure it's easier to keep it simple
tl;dr - It'll be easier if you just do a 500-word review. You'll get these guys off your back, and possibly save yourself some future headaches when the holders do notice.
Sharing with other users for free and reproducing for profit is two completely different concept. You might actually be breaking some law here I am not sure.
Regardless, if you think that reposting trailers are OK arguing that it is allowed here, then remember that flagging is also allow as an organic way for users to express displease to your content. So it is not censorship, it's just part of the game. As @enuser48 suggest, why don't you just write a small review for each trailer you post? I am sure whoever is reading it would appreciate it.
The fact that flagging is allowed doesn't support the assertion that it doesn't result in censorship. I write reviews and summary's on my main account @movietrailers has a specific theme and some people enjoy it. It serves a niche and most certainly doesn't deserve being auto spammed as a scam.
What harm do you think is being done?
That is why I said... Yeah, a bit of effort needs to be put in. You and I are saying exactly the same thing.
In the first case we see an example of censorship of flagging an example, in the opposite direction of its opposite direction as it can download 19 user content at home, in many ways how actively posted nearly five movie trailers, which develops 30 dollars from any of them used for 200 dollars etc. Discussions come with popular power steam power steam There are a lot of issues to discuss as well yesa and steem dollar and some of these topics briefly discussed gunabalisampanna does a lot of the conversation through the fire to the talking posts
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I guess these kinds of things give you the facepalm, @themarkymark.
I had some laugh when you said
Greed is what makes Humans act thus. Keep doing job by keeping steemit sanitised.
I'm flagging more these days.
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upboater payout in the amount of $4 STU, $9 USD.
upmyvote payout in the amount of $78 STU, $163 USD.
For a total calculated bidbot upvote value of $418 STU, $880 USD before curation, with approx. $105 USD curation being earned by the bidbots.
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I flag stuff like this. He's making profit by spam commenting everyone who uses bid bots which is everyone.
I've never received one of those spam comments.
I wonder why not. Oh wait ...
Steemit and the old greed bid bots owner. I hope for a day that bid bots become useless or not profitable at all. Maybe then Steemit could be a better place in which content creators are truly reward. Right now this place is a big circle jerk in which "Witness" and their whales friend gets all the Steem/Money just because they were here/bought steem when it cost cents. Funny too see some people believing this shit will take over Facebook and other social media LOL
nice post and give enlightement
i have experience with down vote. Sometime a minnows didn't know why he got flag or down vote.
i upvote and comment a @haejin post then i got down vote from @kimjongpoo.
i was shock, in my mind i say why he down vote me?
Any way i thought possitively. It may be the way to teach me sail the steemit ocean.
I hate users who just copy and paste, especially when they do it in the name of curation, but that is a topic for another day. For the record, that photo plus your title made me literally laugh out loud... thanks for that.
Its understandable that most don't want to participate on the flag wars because
Its the case of CJ here, even pointing this out puts me in harms way, but its not like this is a secret.
So to me the conversation becomes, if the ones who are supposed to protect the blockchain actively participate on its abuse. What can I possibly do?
I will concentrate on supporting good initiatives, witnesses who I believe are working on good things and hopefully those efforts will outweigh the abuse.
It's not perfect, it's not ideal... but its reality.
What sort of abuse and harm to the blockchain do you think is transpiring?
I'll change my wording to something less aggressive sounding... soft farming sbd. but listen man... we may not see eye to eye on the subject but I'm not going to attack you, insult you or anything of the sort... we don't know each other, I have no reason to think you are a bad person... I'm simply stating my disagreement with the behavior, not the person.
We have to agree to disagree, because I think copy paste has no merit but you do. That's OK, we had this conversation before.
What about this guy - I've noticed he's on the Blacklist and each post gets the comment from
badcontent bot - But he's still pulling in $20 a post.
I have been trying to get this on the SteemCleaners list.
Thanks for getting back to me - I've submitted it to them my self on discord - their response was "we don't handle videos" - ok then.
I'm spending hours / days on writing Posts - spending time and money to go out and take pictures and I usually make nothing - this guys stealing content and cashing in. The money is secondary to principal. Hard work should be rewarded - theft and scammy bullshit should be stomped out.
Keep fighting the good fight brother.
That's decentralization for you
Thanks Bernie