Do you have a right to discriminate?
What do you think? And should the government be involved?
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in the first we don't have the right, since we respect each other, i respect you, you respect me, everybody will have a good environment to live with if we respect and have some compassion to ourself and to others.
of COURSE we can discriminate. #newspeakliberal do it all the time with people they don't like... and yet THEY want to be accepted everywhere, every time
Discrimination is common among human beings and societies run on the ability to discriminate against the 'right' individuals. For instance, all of the people who applied for the job, and did not get in, have technically gotten discriminated against, however, if you were to follow raw consequentialism for society at large, the effects of this particular discrimination will be beneficial.
We all have the right to express our opinion without damaging the other person, of course, there are people who discriminate and then come and say that they should not discriminate, that's when double standards come in
I think every has the right to hold a prejudice based on experience, but no one has the right to discriminate someone for something which the person has no control over.
In my own personal opinion I feel most religious people don't hold true convictions to their faith. There are some that do and I would consider a few of these cases across the country where people have lost everything in their lives in defense of their beliefs as one's who do. Do I think it's right that someone who can still get married despite that a certain baker or florist refused to make them a wedding cake or flower arrangements against their religious can ruin those people's lives? Refusing to participate artistically in someone's wedding does not take away that person's right to get married whereas someone forced to participate artistically in someone's wedding does take away their constitutionally guaranteed right to practice their religion. We've never found ourselves in this type of cross over where one constitutional right can cancel out another. I also think that the court ruling is going to go along the line of another court decision whereas a doctor was sued for talking about guns to his patients. The court ruled there was sufficient access to other doctors as to not infringe upon this doctors constitutional right to free speech.
I have to say this is an incredibly complex topic, and I dont think there is a right and wrong answer. People hold different and contradictory beliefs, and those as you say can cross over, so who is right and who is wrong? As fa as I am concerned as long as we treat people with respect and we explain our beliefs in a rational and polite way without inflicting them upon others then we should be fine. I dont think its up to governments to legislate what we think and believe though. Eventhough I am a great believer in state, I still think it doesnt have a place in deciding what we think, that should be done on a non formal community level.
Wouldn't that be to much like being forced into other's agenda's all the time. You'd literally have to keep moving around not to be forced to do or believe like the community decides you should. It would be like being red living in a predominately blue state....your voice or vote doesn't count. Whereas this decisions primary effect will be on those who decide to make it a big issue in the first place.
Are you entitled to stop me from "discriminating (for whatever reason I choose)? Are you entitled to force me to assemble and/or associate with certain people? By what authority? Who gave you that authority?
I dont have the right to force you but common decency should show you this is the right way.
"common" to whom? by what standard? Again: by whose authority? "Common" is anything but decent. It's usually constructed by brainwashed, lazy masses of dumbAsses! This is why it's called THE LOWEST COMMON DENOMINATOR.
Your are just tooo funny sometimes. (meaning in a nice way you are quite the character)
Seriously @Adamkokesh you have my vote.
Obviously, it is part of your right to FREE SPEECH! WHILE YOU ARE NOT HURTING ANYONE OFFEND ANY PERSON YOU DESIRE, GOVERNMENTS SHOULD NEVER POLICE LANGUAGE! True freedom is anarcho capitalism, not a minority loving collectivism Orwellian NIGHTMARE! :D
You should just wait to see what the Supreme Court decision is going to be on these cross-over rights. This is the first time in history that the rights of one group crosses over the rights of another. Religiously held beliefs are protected rights, this does not give them a right not to sell cupcakes, flowers, etc., it just give them a right to not participate in a ceremony that goes against their religious doctrine. They could still be sued for refusing service outside of that scope.
Many groups of people have faced discriminatory actions, though the government intervenes on their behalf we never get one hundred percent. Women and minorities still fight those holding onto the fringes of rebellion. It never fully goes away...it's in man's nature just like waging wars.
If man's nature is waging wars you will have a hard time explaining how a region of the world has lived in complete Anarchy for 2000 years in peace and did so among 5 different cultures and are over 100,000,000 strong.
..... I see you on other post commenting exactly on that very subject. I said it's in man's nature, it doesn't have to be all men just like not all men discriminate against women or minorities.
I wouldn't say human nature is to wage war. That's a byproduct of our horrific ability to trust other's intentions.
You wouldn't consider trust to be part of our natural character?
It is, but things aren't black and white. Some people are more trusting than others, people change based on experience. We should be seeking to find common ground rather than getting tied up in contrived fights meant only to divide.
I know, how hard could it be to find another baker or florist. I wouldn't want anybody I'd have to force to bake me a cake...who knows what they'd do to it. Common sense would say I want to enjoy this moment in my life not turn it into a fight.
Love to see how you handle different people giving different answers! Eye opening, every time thank you <3