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RE: The World is Not a Box

in #freedomtribe5 years ago

Okay @mimismartypants. Of course, we all have a lot to say. While I don’t personally need to say it, I do enjoy exchanges with those who don’t mind a “spirited” discussion. As long as it can be done with civility and respect. At least for the most part … 😉 And I prefer to only invest my time in ones in which there is at least a little uhhh … “light” being generated. Rather than all just “heat” … 😉

So … On the original question, one might not be unreasonable to conclude you have taken perhaps a little offense at it. Saying both ”.. the attitude of judging others regardless of their religion or beliefs is not taught in Islam.” Then referencing hypocrisy in your comment above … From my perspective, I was uhhh … “precise” with the words contained in my original question. Nonetheless, from the differences in our culture and national origins, I now know though how it comes across …

Whether you choose to or not is up to you, but I will tell you there is no more important question about your religion than the one I have put to you. However difficult that may be to hear. So … I thank you again for your response in this post. To which I have replied positively (at least to me …) above …

In a brief response to your bulleted points:

  • An overly broad statement with which I or most anyone could find some agreement …
  • Again, an overly broad statement … But … American history has a number of examples where our people have gone “back and forth” on this question ourselves. And it seems to be almost continuously before us as a question. “Respond?” ”Don’t respond?”
    Current examples: Here on our Steem blockchain, I have personally been part of exchanges with our Venezuelan friends who are hoping America will save them. We are currently “faced off” with Iran. Over what? I’d be interested in your answer. The “war” between the Shite and Sunni branches of your religion would appear to an “outside observer” to have led to a great loss of life. Both historically. And currently. The aggressive nature of the Shite theocracy in Iran also threatens Israel and, of course, we have the ever popular “death to America” …
    The bottom line: We are called upon (they are probably not going to be coming to South Africa to ask for help …) over and over to “settle” something that could easily be viewed by us as someone else’s problem … ”Just take care of it yourself” could be our response … Or not … We ”don’t care” as it won’t hurt us … Right?
  • Agreed. All terrorists are not Muslim. Statistically speaking, though, around the world where incidents of violence lead to innocent loss of life, how many of them are Muslim? Or at least claim in one way or another to be carrying out “the will of Allah?”

I wonder @mimismartypants whether you would agree with these Wikipedia stats on the religious demographics of South Africa. And, if so, does that influence your view of your faith? My point is that I wonder whether there is a distinct difference in how you would answer the questions in our exchange vs. someone from a country which is predominantly Muslim. Particularly countries in the Middle East?

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Hellooo @roleerob!! Nooo not at all I have not taken any offense. I was just rolling with the devil's advocate vibes. My statements were not meant as an attach or a direct hit on anyone at all. Just generalist findings. Again, a gov's actions cannot be pinned people. And im the last person that should be discussing politics.

I also think there is alot of Islamophobia going around in western parts of the world. There are bhudist monks slaughtering Muslims in Burma, there's the Israeli Palistinian conflict, Sri Lankans Muslims are being attacked, there has been over 500 attacks on Muslims in America this year already. I'm sure a quick google will reveal much more. It's what the media chooses to publicise and not show. If you delve in deeper to movements like isis you'll see that some of them don't even know the Quraan or basic declaration of Islam. These are not isolated to Muslims but rather pinned on them. Who knows what is really happening hey.

Fun fact it's actually a cardinal sin to take your own life in Islam. Like you seen as someone who has week faith and your soul is pretty much doomed in the after life. Dying and fighting fir your religion makes you a martyr. Not taking your life willing in suicide. So again, mentally unstable individuals that obviously have some demons they facing.

Like i said. Islam is a religion of peace and love. So again, no religions teaching or Islamic text will demand that people should be killed for some or other reasons.

As Christians believe, we carry our own sin. We can repent and ask for forgiveness. But we all have free will and be held accountable for our actions.

Also apologies if I sounded abrupt or offended you. I been sick all week and still am so i tend to lose my tact. Also tone is rather subjective when you reading text 😉

Good afternoon (here) @mimismartypants. Not to worry. I am not offended. And relieved to hear you are not either ...

Glad to hear you view Islam as a religion of peace. Outside your faith, I have read statistics that 75 to 80% of Muslims are in agreement with you. That leaves 20 to 25% who are not ... Are these statistics valid? How do we determine today what is "truth?" And what is not?

Not sure of how you view life there in South Africa, but I think these questions are very hard to answer. Given the time in human history in which we live, you can "google" just about anything. Just because you can find it written down somewhere on the Internet, does that make it true? Reading the credentials and source citations of those who write helps, but it is not "bulletproof" ...

Sorry to hear you are not feeling well. Not fun to be sick. I hope you recover quickly to your full health. Take care!