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RE: HF21 Addition: Vote Window Change

in #hf215 years ago

I like this change I think it goes more hand in hand with "natural use"... Read it, if you like it upvote it, none of the BS of trying to remember to go back 15 minutes later.

Anytime will be gamed by bots, so this just allows humans to get in there too.

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Of course many quality posts can't be read in 1 minute, so guessing the real curators will lose out to the in this only for the profit curators.

the use of the word curation on this platform is largely bastardized. It's more a voting race while other people who take the concept of curation seriously plod along behind to find the real jewels.

Most can be read faster than 15 minutes though. Unless they're really boring. Or long. Or long and boring. Mostly long and boring.

There are other types of quality content that can be reviewed very quickly though. Drawings take a quite a long time to do and can be viewed for quality pretty quickly. Photographs as well.

My point exactly.

Of course many quality posts can't be read in 1 minute, so guessing the real curators will lose out to the in this only for the profit curators.

Without a doubt that would be precisely the case. Yes @practicalthought, very accurate. ;)

I still don't understand this "go back 15 minutes later" thing.
For most people in most cases, the curation reward is the largest if the vote is placed between 5-10 minutes. And it will take 5 minutes in most cases to find a post and read it. So even if someone knows how the curation window works, waiting is unnecessary. So you can simply not pay attention to it.



https://beempy.com/curation/@whatsup/mathematical-incentives-only-work-if-the-stakeholders-use-them

I'm pretty sure most people don't run statistical analysis on whether or not it's worth to just vote early. There are a ton of people who get crap for rewards, so it's not like they'll get a ton of rewards suddenly after a few minutes.

These kinda things can be done easily by bots though.

No, but it's a valid counter-argument to aggroed's point that we are saving newbies from losing curation rewards when, actually, voting within the 15 mins can result in much higher rewards.

Well I don't math, so... and I shouldn't have to Math to read a damn post and upvoteit.

I know that this is ridiculous that this voting system is complicated for the user. But ... we are changing from
"the system where you really don't need to make any waiting for vote BS"
to
"the system where you really don't need to make any waiting for vote BS, but voting bots get more curation rewards than users"

Well that's how it is going to work no matter what.

It's always been true - it's how the central bank of steem works.

All this 1 minute window is doing is mitigating the mixture of increasing curation rewards plus a decrease in payouts for most posts. If the 15 mins was kept, then it would add some curation-reward losses for some upvoters.

It is giving with one hand and taking away with the other - while algorithmic-curation-rewards-mining will be done by the fastest bots.

Yeah, I have a similar position.

It might even be easier for bots. Hell, they can even calculate whether it's worth it to vote early if there's another bot that tends to vote early as well.