Hive decided not to gift funds to those who are hostile to it, Steemit on the other hand hid all posts that it disagreed with. If Sun achieves full centralization like he intends, then he could edit the blockchain itself and remove posts.
Yes, Hive is built around decentralization, like Steem used to be. That's the reason why Hive was created, because Steem had become centralized. The people who are blocked from receiving the airdrops are the people who oppose the foundation of what Hive is built on.
Yes, I guess you could say all creations begin centralized by their creators. I would say though that the witnesses were elected by the community on Steem, and after the airdrop is finished all changes to the blockchain will be made by community elected witnesses.
I am talking about the current transition. The Airdrop blocking code, which targets many people with different think, was created by a current witness who wants to move to Hive before an air drop.
It is correct to be elected and operated by vote.
However, it is problematic for future Hive Witnesses, before being elected, to decide the airdrop block now with personal thoughts.
Being that Hive is a fork of Steem, they are already elected witnesses (if you check the witnesses page rn you can see witnesses supporting Hive by running version 23)
The only qualification for blocking people with "different think" was if they "voted a minimum of two sockpuppets and didn't unvote before the hive announcement with more than 1k sp"
Also, you may not be aware, but excluded accounts would be able to get the airdrop if they submit a proposal on hive and the community agreed to give it to them.
It is impossible to ever achieve a fully decentralized platform imo, but we can do our best at working towards it. Sun's vision was a heavily centralized and censored blockchain that Hive rejects and hopes to avoid while improving the governance system. I believe the price of Hive and Steem will be a good indicator of which the community stands with (if the vast discrepancy in number of witness votes does not already)
my dad used to say 'nothing is impossible, but as long as others make you believe it is, and you believe them, then it is impossible for as long as you believe the gospel'
Just like how steemit.com is blocking the posts of people who have been hostile to them? It's not as if the posts are being removed from the blockchain. It's just a frontend.
If we are going to say something is wrong, let's not try to colour it slightly appealing when our 'favourites' do the same thing.
Hive excludes the airdrop from people that voted to attack Steem. An opposite thinker that votes to centralize a blockchain is certainly thinking oppositely towards reality.
I'm unsure, as I believe the criteria was supposed to allow an airdrop to those that unvoted before the Hive announcement. Thankfully there is an avenue to appeal for the excluded airdrop using the Hive version of SPS.
Edit: It seems there was an error made in limited cases like yours, based on the timing of votes. This is going to be fixed, possibly without the necessity of an appeal. Stay tuned.
I attempted delegated you a mere 5 HP for hive. Last I heard the delegating process is buggy, so it may or may not be there.
Hopefully that can be enough to get you started in the appeal process when it starts-or a few posts a week.
Thats BS. Our votes for Justin are not as important as your votes for you? It wasnt an attack. It was the only chance you fools had to go mainstream. Now we will do it without your itchy hive covered asses.
If you take a closer look, the accounts only voting for one of the sockpuppet witnesses were not excluded from the airdrop. Even though collectively these accounts were used to attack Steem, it is (in my opinion) valid for a Steem stakeholder to vote for one of these accounts as a vote for Justin/Tron as a Steem witness. There was enough consensus for this that the threshold was 2 or more attack accounts voted for.
Not the point. Hive has been planned behind the scenes long before JSun showed up. This was always the plan. To Make a fool out of any investor who joins the team in order to make steemit grow. The witnesses never cared about us.
I'm going to have to disagree with you there. Most witnesses initially wanted to keep Steem going and a hard fork like this was a last resort. There was no long-term behind the scenes planning for this. This Hive hard fork was only begun in earnest after Steem was attacked. Even then it wasn't guaranteed to happen until the more gullible of the Steem community decided to support the attack, prolonging a stalemate. Everyone looking for a win-win should consider this fork one, especially those that had their Steem balances excluded from Hive's airdrop.
Steem wasnt attacked! Justin Sun had no ill intentions when he bought steemit. If the initial softfork wasnt done, everything woild be fine. This is scared witnesses who did zero decent research on tron, Justin or what we as a community would have brought. This is biting the hand that feeds and opting out. This is a huge mistake, ostracizing a reputable leader (which steem obviously lacked over the last 4 years) pushing rhetoric and not even giving Justin time to do due diligence and figure out a legitimate move to better steemit. I saw racism, I saw lies, I saw Justin attempt many times to work directly with witnesses to come to a resolution. Steemit will be just fine as it onboards passionate tron and BitTorrent community and works to become a mainstream social platform.
Any centralization of a blockchain network is an attack. There's no other way to put it.
Justin Sun is not reputable. His actions alone with Steem and Steemit so far prove that beyond any doubt. And then there is everything else he does, even with Tron. He's a fraud and a charlatan in the blockchain space.
No, he did not do anything to actually work with the witnesses elected by Steem stakeholders. Witnesses initially reached out and were not responded to. The AMA shortly after the purchase announcement was a complete joke. Any tardy attempt he made to talk was always on his own terms, and served only to stall for his own means. There was no real dialogue. He didn't buy Steem when he bought Steemit Inc and the real, non-sockpuppet witnesses were there to say so.
Oh your one of those people hung up on some fantasy of decentralization, the fact hive has and is able to enforce a blacklist, or the fact the former witnesses were able to softfork the funtionality of Justins stake proves just how ridiculous and unready the concept really is for practical usecase. Good luck out there, there is nothing decentralized about hive.
Dude he literally told you at the town hall a few days ago he was building a team to work directly with witnesses. He runs several businesses duder. He cant just jump in and work 24/7 on steemit, it was working fine when he got it, all he did was remove ugly banner ads and push the community upgrade. But you guys just arbitrarily forked the whole thing up.
Hive decided not to gift funds to those who are hostile to it, Steemit on the other hand hid all posts that it disagreed with. If Sun achieves full centralization like he intends, then he could edit the blockchain itself and remove posts.
What I'm talking about right now is not JS's steemit. Hive said to himself opposes centralization, is blocking airdrops to opposing thinkers.
Yes, Hive is built around decentralization, like Steem used to be. That's the reason why Hive was created, because Steem had become centralized. The people who are blocked from receiving the airdrops are the people who oppose the foundation of what Hive is built on.
Who decided the air drop block? Few witnesses? That is centralization.
Yes, I guess you could say all creations begin centralized by their creators. I would say though that the witnesses were elected by the community on Steem, and after the airdrop is finished all changes to the blockchain will be made by community elected witnesses.
I am talking about the current transition. The Airdrop blocking code, which targets many people with different think, was created by a current witness who wants to move to Hive before an air drop.
It is correct to be elected and operated by vote.
However, it is problematic for future Hive Witnesses, before being elected, to decide the airdrop block now with personal thoughts.
Being that Hive is a fork of Steem, they are already elected witnesses (if you check the witnesses page rn you can see witnesses supporting Hive by running version 23)
The only qualification for blocking people with "different think" was if they "voted a minimum of two sockpuppets and didn't unvote before the hive announcement with more than 1k sp"
Also, you may not be aware, but excluded accounts would be able to get the airdrop if they submit a proposal on hive and the community agreed to give it to them.
Who made qualification? That is the problem.
And it wasn't what the entire elected Witnesses agreed to, but a few decided.
Let's stop the theoretical story.
Different people have different ideas depending on which of the causes, processes, or consequences you value.
It will be interesting to see the difference between decentralization and centralization at least.
It is impossible to ever achieve a fully decentralized platform imo, but we can do our best at working towards it. Sun's vision was a heavily centralized and censored blockchain that Hive rejects and hopes to avoid while improving the governance system. I believe the price of Hive and Steem will be a good indicator of which the community stands with (if the vast discrepancy in number of witness votes does not already)
my dad used to say 'nothing is impossible, but as long as others make you believe it is, and you believe them, then it is impossible for as long as you believe the gospel'
Anyone who is running the 0.23.0 code.
Satoshi didn't give me 100 free BTC when he launched the chain. Thus, bitcoin is centralized.
Just like how steemit.com is blocking the posts of people who have been hostile to them? It's not as if the posts are being removed from the blockchain. It's just a frontend.
If we are going to say something is wrong, let's not try to colour it slightly appealing when our 'favourites' do the same thing.
Hive excludes the airdrop from people that voted to attack Steem. An opposite thinker that votes to centralize a blockchain is certainly thinking oppositely towards reality.
What is the reason that I am excluded? I don't know what to say. Thank you.
I'm unsure, as I believe the criteria was supposed to allow an airdrop to those that unvoted before the Hive announcement. Thankfully there is an avenue to appeal for the excluded airdrop using the Hive version of SPS.
Edit: It seems there was an error made in limited cases like yours, based on the timing of votes. This is going to be fixed, possibly without the necessity of an appeal. Stay tuned.
I attempted delegated you a mere 5 HP for hive. Last I heard the delegating process is buggy, so it may or may not be there.
Hopefully that can be enough to get you started in the appeal process when it starts-or a few posts a week.
https://hiveblocks.com/@friendlystranger
Thats BS. Our votes for Justin are not as important as your votes for you? It wasnt an attack. It was the only chance you fools had to go mainstream. Now we will do it without your itchy hive covered asses.
If you take a closer look, the accounts only voting for one of the sockpuppet witnesses were not excluded from the airdrop. Even though collectively these accounts were used to attack Steem, it is (in my opinion) valid for a Steem stakeholder to vote for one of these accounts as a vote for Justin/Tron as a Steem witness. There was enough consensus for this that the threshold was 2 or more attack accounts voted for.
Not the point. Hive has been planned behind the scenes long before JSun showed up. This was always the plan. To Make a fool out of any investor who joins the team in order to make steemit grow. The witnesses never cared about us.
I'm going to have to disagree with you there. Most witnesses initially wanted to keep Steem going and a hard fork like this was a last resort. There was no long-term behind the scenes planning for this. This Hive hard fork was only begun in earnest after Steem was attacked. Even then it wasn't guaranteed to happen until the more gullible of the Steem community decided to support the attack, prolonging a stalemate. Everyone looking for a win-win should consider this fork one, especially those that had their Steem balances excluded from Hive's airdrop.
Steem wasnt attacked! Justin Sun had no ill intentions when he bought steemit. If the initial softfork wasnt done, everything woild be fine. This is scared witnesses who did zero decent research on tron, Justin or what we as a community would have brought. This is biting the hand that feeds and opting out. This is a huge mistake, ostracizing a reputable leader (which steem obviously lacked over the last 4 years) pushing rhetoric and not even giving Justin time to do due diligence and figure out a legitimate move to better steemit. I saw racism, I saw lies, I saw Justin attempt many times to work directly with witnesses to come to a resolution. Steemit will be just fine as it onboards passionate tron and BitTorrent community and works to become a mainstream social platform.
Any centralization of a blockchain network is an attack. There's no other way to put it.
Justin Sun is not reputable. His actions alone with Steem and Steemit so far prove that beyond any doubt. And then there is everything else he does, even with Tron. He's a fraud and a charlatan in the blockchain space.
No, he did not do anything to actually work with the witnesses elected by Steem stakeholders. Witnesses initially reached out and were not responded to. The AMA shortly after the purchase announcement was a complete joke. Any tardy attempt he made to talk was always on his own terms, and served only to stall for his own means. There was no real dialogue. He didn't buy Steem when he bought Steemit Inc and the real, non-sockpuppet witnesses were there to say so.
Oh your one of those people hung up on some fantasy of decentralization, the fact hive has and is able to enforce a blacklist, or the fact the former witnesses were able to softfork the funtionality of Justins stake proves just how ridiculous and unready the concept really is for practical usecase. Good luck out there, there is nothing decentralized about hive.
Dude he literally told you at the town hall a few days ago he was building a team to work directly with witnesses. He runs several businesses duder. He cant just jump in and work 24/7 on steemit, it was working fine when he got it, all he did was remove ugly banner ads and push the community upgrade. But you guys just arbitrarily forked the whole thing up.