Unexploited Opportunity: Post Promotion

in Suggestions Club4 months ago

Among those reading this post, the absolute majority knows about the existence of the /promoted page. It is designed to display posts that are promoted. The concept of post promotion is that if you want your post to get more attention, or you come across an extremely interesting post and want it to be read by as many readers as possible, you can pay to promote it and it will go to the /promoted page. The money you spend on promoting a post is burned, not going to enrich someone. In my opinion, this concept is very brilliant, but implemented imperfectly.

The main difference of the Steem blockchain is the ability to receive rewards for your content. So almost always people promoted their own posts with the hope of getting more support or at least more interaction. Unfortunately, the /promoted page is as if somewhere in a parallel dimension, it exists, but no one sees it, no link of any interface leads to it. Readers simply do not know about it, and those who know, do not feel the need to enter the address of the page in the browser to get there.

Undoubtedly, such an implementation was doomed to failure. People promoted posts only when they knew that one of the big curators would vote for their post. In certain periods of time, it had some financial success, because tokens were burned, which slightly reduced inflation. But the main concept did not work - the post did not reach a large number of readers.

The decision to hide the /promoted page was rather... strange. When you pay for advertising, you hardly expect it to be hidden somewhere under the bed. On the contrary, it is demonstrated in as crowded places as possible.

In general, I would be interested if Steemit's post promotion system worked. I think it would be a good opportunity to meet new authors. Of course, there would be authors who would promote terrible posts in the hope of making money with minimal effort. But I think they would have abandoned these efforts without receiving attention from the community.

Now that Steemit is in the process of updating the interface, it's time to consider options to give the post promotion initiative a second lease of life.

Simple ways

The simpler the method, the greater the chances of its implementation. So, we need that as a result of promoting a post, it gets the attention of readers, provided that the post is interesting.

One option is to place a link to the page /promoted somewhere in a visible place. This will make the page much easier to access, but it won't guarantee that readers will have a reason to go there.

Another possible method is to set a redirect from the main steemit.com page to /promoted. But this is also not the best solution. First, a project that has a redirect from the main page looks frivolous. Second, how often do any of you visit the main Steemit page?

A complicated way

There is a solution that I believe would be effective and would benefit both readers and authors. But I'm afraid that implementing it is very difficult.

I think it would be ideal if the first three posts from the page /promoted were displayed to every Steemit user on the page /feed.

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This would have many advantages:

  • the majority of readers do not go beyond their own feed, so displaying promoted posts there will have the greatest reach;
  • the post promotion system will no longer depend on large curators;
  • authors will be able to get new readers, especially this will be useful for novice authors;
  • readers can meet new authors if they wish;
  • displaying only the first three posts in the feed will create healthy competition between those promoting the posts and allow more tokens to be burned overall.

Keep my feed clean! - I'm hearing from @chriddi. That is why I propose to limit it to only three posts, which could be displayed even in a separate block at the top of the page immediately after the inscription "My Friends".



I'd love to hear your thoughts on this. Is such an implementation possible? Is it appropriate? Do we even need the ability to promote posts?

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I agree with you that the possibility of post promotion is neglected too much. But you also mentioned the reason: You can't find the posts unless you actively enter the URL in the address bar. That's a shortcoming and nobody will pay for it.

The simple method is easy ;-) and could be implemented immediately by the gorilla. :-D

However, I prefer the complicated method. We already know this from other platforms. However, the advertising is almost "personalised". Here it would be the same for everyone and would only depend on the amount the promoter is willing to pay.

This could also be integrated into the feed...
... but now comes the snag:
The feed query at Hivemind already takes too long. The promoted posts could extend this even further. However, I could imagine that these could be integrated into the database in a suitable way. As long as it's only a few posts, this shouldn't be a major factor.
Placing the promotions between the feed posts might be a little more complex. This will also cost a little more processing time.

Overall, I find this very interesting. Especially as the promotion would then really deserve its name.
I wanted to work on the trending score after my holiday anyway... and other minimal things in Hivemind... I'll take the point on board :-)

 4 months ago 

The simple method is easy ;-) and could be implemented immediately by the gorilla. :-D

But...

I prefer the complicated method.

Me too.

There appear to be some functions within the code already which would make it more user friendly:

  • Get special posts from the store
  • Mark seen featured posts
  • Mark seen promoted posts
  • Mark all featured posts as seen
  • Mark all promoted posts as seen.

Whilst these seem to exist, it doesn't look they're used anywhere (and rely upon localStorage to work). I don't know for certain though.

It could be an interesting idea at some point.

I wanted to work on the trending score after my holiday anyway

I'm looking forward to this 🙂

There appear to be some functions within the code

I assume you mean in the frontend code?
That's interesting! I didn't know that. Maybe we'll have to discuss it once I've found out a bit more about it in Hivemind.

I'm looking forward to this 🙂

Me too :-)

 4 months ago 

I prefer the complicated method

Yes, definitely a more complicated method would be more effective.

The feed query at Hivemind already takes too long.

Since I don't understand this, do you think there are opportunities for optimization here? I mean, if Steemit becomes a world-famous platform, it won't be good if requests take hours to process.

I'll take the point on board :-)

Wow, that's great 😃

if Steemit becomes a world-famous platform, it won't be good if requests take hours to process.

Definitely! :-)
We have already discussed this in the witness channel. The database is very outdated and urgently needs to be updated. In preparation, I measured the query time of many methods and parameter combinations. We can use this to measure the improvements. Unfortunately, it is not possible to say whether and in what time improvements are achievable...

 4 months ago 

Thank you. I also want to ask you to answer one of my questions in Discord 🙂.

 4 months ago 

I'd love to hear your thoughts on this. Is such an implementation possible?

It's certainly possible. The 3 posts could even be rotated in proportion to the value that was spent on post promotion, competitively encouraging people to spend more to gain visibility. Another possibility is to interleave the /promoted posts into the feed as the user scrolls down (SteemPeak used to do something like this). Maybe every 5th or every 10th post in the feed could be an inserted /promoted post.

Is it appropriate? Do we even need the ability to promote posts?

I'd say, "yes" and "yes".


This part literally made me laugh out loud:

Unfortunately, the /promoted page is as if somewhere in a parallel dimension, it exists, but no one sees it, no link of any interface leads to it.

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The decision to hide the /promoted page was rather... strange. When you pay for advertising, you hardly expect it to be hidden somewhere under the bed.

I totally don't get why this has been kept buried for the last 5 or 6 years - or however long it's been. Maybe because they split the wallet away from condenser for security reasons? Maybe that separation restricted the ability to provide a "point and click" way to easily promote a post? If so, a solution to this should be possible (and prioritized IMO).

 4 months ago 

The 3 posts could even be rotated in proportion to the value that was spent on post promotion, competitively encouraging people to spend more to gain visibility.

This is exactly what I was thinking.

SteemPeak used to do something like this

As far as I know ecency.com does something similar and since it's open source, we can even borrow almost ready-made code from there 😉. Although, I could be very wrong about this.

I'd say, "yes" and "yes".

Here, too, our views converge.

This part literally made me laugh out loud

Well, I like to add sarcasm and jokes to my posts, even if the post is supposed to be very serious. I can't do anything about myself 😄.

As you mentioned a few days ago in one of your comments, "Steemit still has rooms for improvement."

I agree, this is a great idea. Although I haven't used the promoted page before, I'm aware that a friend promoted a few of my posts once or twice, about two years ago.

Post promotion wasn't common among our generation of Steemians, but based on my research, it was a working and interesting initiative.

Last year, when @remlaps hyped it, the practice gained some traction, but unfortunately, it was later flooded with some craps or low-quality content (sorry for the harsh words, but that's how I felt).

Re-introducing post promotion in a more moderated or redesigned format could produce a better outcome.

Thanks for this interesting suggestion. I'll be following the comments from others to read more interesting and workable ideas.

 4 months ago 

Post promotion wasn't common among our generation of Steemians

It really is. Not too long ago, burning rewards was also not common, but then everything changed and now there are a lot of posts that set the @null account as the beneficiary. I think the situation with the promotion of posts can change, provided that it will be interesting for the community.

Thanks for this interesting suggestion.

😀 Thank you for reading.

That's odd. So, there's a promoted page most have never known about? How does one promote on a page no one knows about? Is there also a hidden place to pay for promotions? Sounds like it was implemented, but never announced/or abandoned afterward.

 4 months ago 

It was all in place at the beginning. There were buttons under each of the articles to "Promote this post", or something like that. At some point, they hid the /promoted page and removed the buttons. I'm not sure about why, but my best guess is that the promotion buttons stopped working when they split the wallet apart from the social media functions (condenser) for security reasons, and they never got around to updating it for compatibility. The only way to promote a post now is to send SBDs to the @null account (this burns them) with the URL in the memo field, in exactly the format: "@[account]/permlink".

But, of course, there's not much point in doing that unless/until something happens to enhance the visibility of the promoted posts. TBH, I'm not sure why I keep using it. I guess just because it can be done for 1/1000 of a cent, so the cost is basically 0 anyway. It does get a tiny bit of enhanced visibility from the few people who are using my browser extension or @the-gorilla's alternate feed viewer.

 4 months ago 

It was once announced: https://steemit.com/steemit/@steemitblog/introducing-promoted-content

But, as often happens, something went wrong 🙂

I love this idea but I have a question, how many times can a post be promoted since every post pays out in a week, some writers may look back at their writing a desire it to get greater reach.

A post like this should have something substantial at least and I think it should meet certain criterion, like on Twitter when a red circle show it simply means, your words are too much and it should exceed the required limit, I think this should be implemented too but it has a disadvantage which is that the content of a post doesn't depend of how bulky it is. A few words can make more meaning but it should meet a standard, maybe the 250 words plus is Okay as agreed by most communities.

I am not a programmer yet, just wanna add, if possible can this promoted have a time lapses for another display, maybe every 6 hours and can promoted post appear differently on each users page across the steemit blockchain.

Will it have a fix amount for the number of reach and how long the users want it to get promoted, similar to web3 pattern?

In conclusion the idea is a nice one and I think it should be implemented but it should be commensally beneficial

 4 months ago 

In general, the concept of promoting posts is working. You can just send an SBD to @null right now with a link to your post in the MEMO and it will appear on the /promoted page. But no one comes to this page, so there is no point in promoting anything. I raised this topic to see if it would be interesting for the community to improve this mechanism, and it seems that it is interesting to many.

Am I sending SBD or steems?, if it steems how many do I have to send to get I post promoted or which is the minimum amount that can be sent, you need to know for now in case this topic is considered, it is an interesting one. @o1eh

To be honest I had forgotten that that was even a "thing" but I do think that your suggestion makes complete sense. It would also be great to see the tool being used by those who are in a position to uplift others - especially if they get highlighted in the way you have suggested. :)

 4 months ago 

It looks like a few people are interested in this offer, so maybe in the future we will actually be able to actually promote our posts. I think it would be interesting.

Definitely! and I am sure it will continue to generate interest as it gains more exposure!

Thanks for pointing this out. I think I will try it.

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