You Cross Post... "Me, Unfollow"

in OCD4 years ago

Communities changed a lot the way we post on the Steem blockchain these days, curation seems to have been updated as well, but you can collect more than you obviously deserve, when clever and sneaky enough, with just one post that hits various communities, one after another, and quite often benefits from the usual auto votes for the same content.

I get the meaning behind cross posting, as it is intended to promote others, to cross post some low value piece of work, that you might consider being worth more, to other communities, and to help the poor guy that flies under the whales radar in earning more, getting more exposure, and taking your share from that cross posting as well.

Hope I'm not wrong, but from what I understand you can cross post only through Steempeak, and if you do that with another user's post you get 5% or 10% from the curation of the post. Sounds legit... to some extent, because you could have done that before communities as well, with a simple reblog, but yeah, now we have communities and with benefits come flaws as well.

Leaving math behind, as I am quite bad at it, and technicals, lets dive into what I find not legit and what's actually another way of abusing the rewards pool, which is cross posting your own content. That's total bullshit and I don't know what was in the head of the ones thinking and making it a reality. I don't care if anyone feels offended or if you're gonna downvote the shit out of this post, but it's total crap.

It's simply not fair to cross post your own post to different communities, transforming basically that post into multiple ones, and milk the poor Steem cow for the same material, thanks to autovotes that can't distinguish between duplicates. Simply not fair.

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Yes, I understand that now communities have changed a bit the exposure of posts, that are uploaded through a specific community, and are not visible on your blog anymore, if you don't post them through your blog, but that's the price you have to pay for being part of a community, or more... You can't be a cheerleader for two teams at the same time, so you have to choose one and support it. Yes, you might change teams from one season, or event, to another, but doing both at the same time is impossible.

Why do such people cross post their own posts? I don't know for sure, but my guess is that the main reason is exposure. The more, the better, but that's what haejin thought as well when he decided to post his TAs ten times a day, and we all know the reaction of the community. Well, he might have had rewards in mind right from the beginning besides exposure... but lets mover forward.

Now, if you targeted your article for one community, then you should be fine with making it visible to only that community and your followers. After all you, have some incentives to pick a certain community, and most often they're reward related, aren't they... Milking is good, and we all do that, abusing is wrong and most of us hate that.

I, for example, hate abuse, in any aspect and corner of life on earth and won't encourage it. I only downvote the bible spam comments, and even if I would start downvoting cross posting it wouldn't make too much difference. My SP is low and getting lower, but I will unfollow if repeated. It might be the case that some are not aware of the implications of cross posting their own content, but for recidivists, I only have a good bye hug and nothing more.

It's not like we don't have enough with this whole Sun situation and softforking, but now we have self cross posters as well. Is anyone ever gonna learn anything? Really, I am amazed to see that after years and years of community talks and smiles, and kisses, we are still blinded by rewards and would do anything for more, and usually it's the ones that have a roof under their head and food to eat that simply can't have enough.

Not all of us are in that situation of course, but some really amaze me, in a negative way. I confess that if it wasn't for rewards I probably wouldn't join Steemit right from the beginning, and blog for more than two years, but I wouldn't put aside my moral principles for some damn extra rewards. Probably some believe that we don't observe these things, but we do... As I said, we all make mistakes, but repetitive ones are considered abuse.

Hence... "You Jane, Me Tarzan". You cross post, me unfollow... I really wonder when people will get to that level of consciousness being able to allow pure decentralization for anything that we can imagine. Right now... I tell you, without rules we're screwed. Curious to read about your take on cross posting, as a concept... and reality, and especially about self cross posting.

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I agree, self cross posting is reward abuse no matter how it's packaged up and sold by those doing it. Cross posting someone else is not a bad way to go for really good posts, but even then, it would want to be a great and unrewarded post for me to do that. It's likely I'd send it to @curangel, @c-squared or @c-cubed before I cross posted though. I think it needs to approached with some caution and not used as a wholesale posting machine!

Indeed. I don't know how but there are always ways to abuse this platform, and at some point I thought we had everything figured out to not have anything of the sort anymore. I was wrong...again. Your approach it's definitely better because upvotes that come from such curators will pour onto one post, that is supposedly undervalued, and not three or four posts that are exactly the same material. Heading forward, but still plenty of work.

Yeah, we're moving in the right direction but there's still some way to go, probably there'll always be something that needs work. Continuous improvement is a good thing. As far as I can tell many people are starting to curb their self-posting and others are punishing it with downvotes so I think it's going in the right direction. I wouldn't be too surprised to see some changes too.

We just gotta keep on doing the right things right, and sharpening up those things that need it.

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Impact or plagiarism...:)) I don't know for sure. The thing is that cross posting is really a mess for now, and my only option is to unfollow people doing that consciously. I don't know what happens lately with Steem, but it can't seem to get better...unfortunately.

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Haha love the title!
Agree with the title.
And as I told my friends today I will not vote any cross-post and if I see my autovoter votes on a crosspost by any chance, I will manually remove my vote and I will not feel bad about it :D
(until the whole idea is somehow tweaked so it doesn't look like pure reward farming)

Yes, I understand that now communities have changed a bit the exposure of posts, that are uploaded through a specific community, and are not visible on your blog anymore,

About that part. I don't see what is the big fuss about and what exactly changed. All authors posts are visible in the "Posts" tab. What is the point of crossposting them to "Blog" tab?
Also... before the communities we introduced I could see all the posts of people I follow on my feed. Now with communities I still see all their posts. No matter where they post. They are all also visible in tags.
So either way it is just a legal excuse or I am missing something.

You're missing that they have a new excuse to spam the crap out of steemit and to rape the rewards pool... Yeah, basically that! Cause there's no need to post over and over again the same thing to "be visible" to everyone when people just have to click "all posts" to see everything! People always find a way to do wrong things and then label them as good! Jeez! 😒

Yeaaa... only today I saw someone crossposting stuff from 9 months ago.

For curators like us this is a freaking nightmare! Aaaaah!

Good point.

Weird. After four years of existence Steemit still hasn't found the sweet spot and continues on a bumpy road. I don't know why that much hype about communities. I still mostly read what my list of following folks post. Cross posting though really invites good fellows becoming some sort of abusers. It's simply not right to earn twice from the same post on the same platform. Then we wonder why Steem has fallen that low. It's not too convincing for investors with all these flaws and conflicts.

"It's simply not right to earn twice from the same post on the same platform".

Dude, I'ven seen people "crossposting" up to 5 times the same thing! 5 posts with the same thing and all the posts with rewards... this is so wrong!

I guess I don't follow the right people :)) It's totally not fair for the rest of ones and again auto votes are proving themselves to be an issue.

Exactly.. some people act like the feed is gone and panic.
Nothing is gone. It is all there as it was. Communities just give extra by sorting the content (or not). Just like tags.

I'd say they don't basically do the same thing as tags because most of the people now post in the most upvoted communities, so communities as tags are not that representative. To some extent though they do facilitate better engagement and finding people alike. For example photography dedicated communities I guess succeed very well in doing that.

Not exactly the same, but give the extra search option (or categorizing post if not posted in those general communities, but thematic ones) besides the tags that still work as they did before. Nothing was taken away.

I completely agree. I meant every word. 👍 👍 👍

I guess that the more agree, the less we will see such cross postings.


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idk if i 100% share all your thoughts on this, but in the most part, yes... cross posting 146% annoys me. I agree with you: it is unfair... I tolerate it and do not want to unfollow my friends cause I actually, love my feed, but... it does annoys me, to see 3, 4, 5 same posts in my feed...
I dont even like too much resteems. tho I agree they are useful and ofc we need them, to raise awareness about the important stuff, to populate good contests etc. but I treat it as unevitable evil, and try not to abuse other folks' feeds with it! but some othre folks are definitely happy to abuse mine...

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You again... Haven't you read the post?

It's a bot run by this Japanese dude:

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He runs a Discord server to preach his cult "The Old Path" and has multiple accounts with which he spams thousands of people. I've talked to him on Discord and told him to stop spamming my comment sections and he basically said that he didn't care if he was annoying me. He said that his goal was to reach as many people as possible regardless of the means used, and that he would continue to spam all comment sections as much as he liked.

So, you won't reach him by sending comments, or downvoting or anything. Just mute all of these accounts whenever they comment on your posts. That way these comments will be hidden and greyed out whenver they pop up.

edit: And no, he doesn't read your post, the comments are automated, sent to thousands of people every day from multiple accounts.

I'm not muting him because I want to downvote him. He really has a bad startegy. Getting in people's hearts by force won't win him too many devotes for his Old Path. It's Steemit's fault, that we have plagiarists, spammers and abusers, for not setting up some rules right from the beginning

I don't know if it's too late or not, but maybe if the Witnesses agreed, someone could code up a softfork for allowing for disabling spam accounts. (Only for stuff like millions of carbon copy posts coming from varying accounts.)

I don't know either, but it would be useful.

This won't happen. There is a strong anti-censorship attitude among witnesses and the creator of these accounts can simply create more and more. They would have to implement an expansible centralised spam list that would disable any commenter that the witnesses don't like. This would be dangerous for the ability of people to express themselves freely and is something that the witnesses have talked about and rejected.

If it will be reconsidered in the future, maybe in the far far future, but for now this is not an option.

For now, our best solution is in the front ends. Mute and downvote and let the front ends hide the comments.

There is already a set of centralised spam lists, since 2018, which is themarkymark's buildawhale spam list. Many people already complain about it but it's not applied directly to the blockchain but to front ends. If someone is in that list, they simply don't show up in the comments' section when they comment, although they are indeed registered in the blockchain.

If you mute him, he stays hidden in your posts. That way people don't see him but he stays at the bottom of your comments. If you don't mute him, if you forget to downvote him, he will be hiding legitimate comments from legitimate readers. Steempeak implemented the mute feature for exactly this purpose.

You will be able to see his comments even if you mute them, although they will be greyed out, and if you expand them, you will still be able to downvote them. Doubly good.

Will take that into account. Luckily I don't have too much comments on my posts that he can shadow.

I started muting all bot accounts for this purpose. I don't always get comments, but I do want to encourage legitimate conversation on my posts. :))

I will probably do as well, but for now I feel like flagging it more. I guess there are some frustrations there that need to be burned through this flagging :))

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