THINGS ARE BUZZING - We want your input (#HIVE #REBRANDING)

in SteemPeak5 years ago

It's no secret we have wanted to re-brand... For a while now.
Myself (@jarvie) and @asgarth have thought about it for well over a year.

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I will share why we've wanted to rebrand and how the @hiveio news impacts this... but most of all we'd like to hear our users' thoughts on recent happenings.


But first...

WHAT IS THE AIM OF OUR PROJECT...

The aim of our site/s is to be a place for content creators to share their work and to provide those users with lots of amazing features... including and in particular decentralized feature-sets.

The entry point for your decentralized world

We are working towards creating a place for full time content creators. Where users with large followings (sometimes millions) will want to bring their audience. We still have more features to come before we start bringing those types in. However in preparation we knew we'd want to have a name that works for a larger audience.


RE: DECENTRALIZATION

We want to operate in as much of decentralized environment as possible. That isn't just an economic thing... it relates to developers and extends to governance of course.

We as a community don't seem to have a confident understanding of what @justinsunsteemit has in mind with his heavily centralized access to tens of millions of tokens. Or what his view is on decentralization and blockchain operating principles.
p.s. Thanks @theycallmedan for the initiative to get users to write about: "What decentralization means to me"... We would have loved to see @justinsunsteemit respond to that post. But love seeing the rest of you write your own posts.

To me/us decentralization has a lot to do with dependencies and getting rid of dependencies that make our platform or YOUR experience too... well... "dependent" on the actions of others. It seems there is always impact by others but what decentralization seeks for is to limit it as best as it can. In many areas: like developers, decision makers, voters, economics and much more.

MORE BLOCKCHAIN INTEGRATION

Let's put it this way even if @hiveio hadn't been announced we would still be re-branding. Not just for the reasons above but because we are going to work with many chains.

You may be happy to know we have plans to support feature sets from other chains and even find ways to make other crypto communities excited about our platform.

FEATURES LIKE:
Tipping in many currencies, Connecting accounts, App communities, Patreon Like features, Token information on our wallet page for other tokens... just to name a few things.


"STEEM" (The Name) DOESN'T TEST WELL

"Steem" has always been hard word for non-steem fans. I feel like I've said this more than a few times to friends: "Steem with two EEs and not the gaming platform" (repeated a hundred times). A tiny fraction of our future user-base will know what Steem is (Or what Hive is) and so the URL will be even more confusing the more non blockchain users we bring to the site.


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ENTER HIVE

We are not going to make a site called "HivePeak.com" but we are indeed planning on Supporting the Hive chain. (Check our list of name finalists)

It is true, we have made assumptions... we assumed our users would want to use an interface based on Hive. So we have been proceeding on that. BUT... tell us... do you want this?

Let's take it a step back and have an up front question: Do you want an interface that operates on Hive?

How do you feel about Hive?
So far there have been many requests of us since the announcement yesterday. But give us your honest desire. We will do our best to make sure your comment is respected so that you can feel comfortable giving it on this particular post. We have seen that most of the app operators that we work with are moving and are happy to support our present needs for 3rd party integrations. (Yes we still have dependencies)
We are not even fully certain if staying on Steem will even be an option if we're being honest with you, you'll see below that there are certain things we need.

Getting a Hive based site up and running presents a lot of challenges specially in a short period of time (Friday) but we are focused and lots of other developers and projects are working round the clock to get systems running in time for us.

Just between us expect things to be a "Work in Progress" even by Friday.

WHAT WE NEED

  • We depend on a good API (One that also runs hivemind)
  • We have our own signing method with PeakLock however many of you would feel more comfortable with Keychain or SteemConnect... so those need to happen.
  • Users who have used SteemPeak to upload pictures shouldn't be effected but how will users who used Steemit in the past be impacted with images? The URLs should still work ... but for how long?

There are people working on all these issues and more.

So the focus will be getting things running and we know it will get completed bit by bit... there will be things we miss but you know us... you know that you can give us some feedback and we'll get to those things ASAP.

PEAKMONSTERS?

Another PeakProject is @peakmonsters... basically that has to run on whatever chain that @splinterlands decides. No decision making from us on that... we will go where they go and when they go.


WHAT HAPPENS TO STEEMPEAK.COM?

https://steempeak.com/ the URL will NOT run HIVE. It just doesn't make sense to run a site called STEEMpeak on a chain called HIVE.

Yes... We will continue to operate SteemPeak.com
Now the question for you all is "WILL YOU USE STEEMPEAK.COM?"
And if so why? Also will there be enough 3rd party support to keep it running. And for how long do you need access... we recognize all of our users are about to be holders of STEEM tokens and HIVE tokens and need a wallet interface for both.

If there isn't high demand or a lack of backend support for SteemPeak.com then we will of course re-evaluate. Again feel free to share your opinions and we'll make this post a place you won't get attacked in the comments for saying you want to continue to use steem.

NAME CHOICES

We have asked our users on DISCORD for name suggestions for about 13 days. I feel like it has prepared them for what's coming and maybe has been fun for them to make suggestions. We expressed our interest in retaining PEAK in our name but we haven't been tied to it... however we have several great options for PEAK.

We have also done a bunch of polling OUTSIDE of Steem users.
We feel like we have a solid name option that we're proceeding with.
BUT... again we don't want to assume to much so there's still the chance of changing and we'd like your feedback. But we think there is likely to be a pretty good consensus.
... so let us know which TWO options you'd go with and we'll see.

Here's what our poll looked like that we've done.

  • Peaksocial.com
  • Dpeak.io
  • Peak.network
  • Peakd.com
  • Peakapy.com
  • Steempeak.com
  • OTHER

SO MUCH MORE TO COME FOR PEAK PROJECTS

We are looking forward to the time when we start our marketing programs and focus on full time content creators and their users.
However, We want our present users to be happy about this switch as well.

Let us know... and feel confident that just like the last 2 years of never ending and totally consistent Updates we have so much up our sleeves you should be very excited about. All that and we haven't even started our marketing plans. (Prove retention first)


WITNESS?

This is where we'd normally say we're interested in your witness vote. We're not entirely sure how that will all shake out... we aren't even producing that many blocks on Steem anymore (for probably obvious reasons) so that is likely to switch to HIVE ... would you support us there?

Technically speaking we have TWO servers that run a witness (one is a backup even though we have rarely missed blocks in all our history) ... we are prepping the main server to make the switch and can worry about the other one later (there's plenty of other things that need to be done in the meantime) ... Thoughts from those that support our witness? Or maybe we're calling it "Hive Managers" or just "Block Producers" and we can leave weird words like "witness" behind?


YOUR QUESTION RECAP?

  • What chain do you prefer us to operate on?
  • What do you like about Hive?
  • If you want to stay on SteemPeak.com tell us why.
  • What 2 URL choices do you prefer for our re-brand?
  • What chain would you prefer our witness to be on?
  • Any concerns you're having?

In the end we still have a bunch more features before we begin our large marketing push... by that time we hope that things will be much clearer as to what system will provide us with the most decentralized option for content posting. We need stability, a thriving App ecosystem, ease of use for development and our users and decentralization.

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I really like the Peakd.com one, not going to pick another, this is perfect. :) Like "Peakd my interest", lots of fun pun potential here.

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Well said! !invest_vote Adding my own little perspective here https://steempeak.com/hive-175001/@andrepol/re-steempeak-q7hzf1

  • Hive for sure.
  • I hope it proves to be the better option for an independent, freedom-loving and sustainable community. Anyways, I am sure that Steemit Inc is not walking the right path, hence Hive is the choice of mine.
  • In my point of view, SteemPeak is the most advanced and user-friendly front end. However, it is just my pick.
  • It could be HivePeak, make the rebranding as simple as you can.
  • Yet again, Hive it is.
  • Splitting the community is not the best thing to do. Using two forks neither as the content should be unique and created for the chain. I wish we moved as a community, took the best of current Steem and built up our hives ;)

Splitting the community is not the best thing to do. Using two forks neither as the content should be unique and created for the chain. I wish we moved as a community, took the best of current Steem and built up our hives ;)

good point!

Well said!

A close second to Steem Peak might be Busy.org or maybe Partiko or something.

Partiko is dead. I suggest you start using @esteem. more recent updates have improved that program greatly.

IN ALL CAPS AND BOLD: PLEASE OPERATE ON HIVE

What I like about Hive vs. Steem:

  • Hive does not have to trust that Steemit, Inc stake will not be used to vote on DPoS governance nor will be dumped on the open market (while Steem has already seen Stinc stake used to vote on DPoS governance and JSun has stated publicly he wants to dump Stinc stake on open market)
  • Hive has a large team of developers already committed to working on the chain and an inclusive approach that is yielding more community developers committing to work on the project daily; while Steem has no developers at all (even counting Tron developers, Tron chain is a Java implementation and to the best of my knowledge JSun and Tron team do not have any C++ developers who could work on Steem blockchain)
  • The Steem name has always been a terrible name from a branding / marketing standpoint with obvious confusion point RE Steam gaming platform
  • The purchase of Steemit Inc by Justin Sun has only added to negative connotations surrounding Steem naming, as JSun is "controversial" at best descriptor and a con man by nearly universal acclaim in the crypto space

2 URL choices: peaksocial.com would be my choice of the URLs presented to have some continuity with prior naming and branding. Not convinced it is the absolute best choice. Beesocial might be another suggestion, it has a nice ring and fits with Hive naming without directly aping it, although I see there are some other businesses with that name (though none directly in this space I think). beesocial.io is available, beesocial.com is for sale for relatively reasonable price ($4.7k)

I would prefer your witness to be on Hive. To be perfectly honest, anyone thinking of trying to support/use both chains is IMO doing a disservice to the community. Please anyone reading this, do not add value to the old Steem chain. Don't use it, don't run a witness for it, just dump your Steem tokens and leave JSun to play with his dumpster fire and worthless stake.

That is actually a pretty nice suggestion. Beesocial.com

Beesocial is a perfect name imo

Also, peaksocial.com is also for sale for a reasonable $3,495 USD.

Yes, it is a great name.

why? it has nothing to do with 'hive'. Branding should make sense. Not be something unrelated. New users won't get it and it's not going to work well at all.

I believe that they don't want a name which is to connected to any platform. Look at all the Steem domains / tools / dapps and the mass rebranding which is going on right now.

@steempeak is searching for a platform agnostic brand name. Because they:
-don't wish to go through rebranding again,
-plan to support multiple platforms.

Besides, I like the name 😀👍

Ps: Leah, it's nice talking to you after a long time.

beesocial has nothing to do with hive? Or were you referring to the suggestions in the post from steempeak like peaksocial. Obviously, beesocial has something to do with hive... bee... hive...

Beesocial.com is cool XD

HIVESOCIAL.COM
That makes a lot more sense.

why not use the name hive as part of the url name? if its going to be on the HIVE blockchain, you must be clear about that in the name. otherwise new users won't even get it.

I love that beesocial.com thing!

Beesocial...!!!! It's the best 🤩

beesocial is fabulous. It works really well for Hive. Get's my vote.

And I agree with your point about not working with steem. It is toxic while associated with Sun

Your opinion has a lot of weight with me, @carlgnash. I was just trying to figure out what I was going to do with my Steem tokens and the rewards still coming in after Friday. I don't even know how to convert them to BTC or fiat ... but some advice would be welcome. Remember: a lot of us small creators don't have a clue on how to "dump," and nobody right now is about to just abandon money in the present distress.

standard disclaimer about financial advice, etc., applies - but in my own opinion, the value of the current Steem and SBD tokens is going to plummet after the hardfork happens. Quite a few Steem whales have publicly stated they will be selling off their Steem and moving to the Hive chain (@blocktrades being probably the most prominent, and he is one of the largest stakeholders on Steem). It isn't so much about abandoning money, as preserving the value that you worked so hard to get. Again, my own opinion, and I don't have a crystal ball - but I think Steem users who do nothing and just hold on to their Steem tokens are going to see the value of their Steem wallets crash to basically nothing over the next 3 months (the period of time it takes to power down a Steem account / 13 weeks).

As far as how to convert your Steem / SBD to bitcoin or fiat, you have to create an account at an exchange that lists Steem / SBD first (this will require KYC, usually the process involves both submitting your ID and a selfie). Once you have an account, then you deposit Steem at that exchange (transfer your Steem / SBD to the address the exchange gives you for the deposit, with the memo that the exchange gives you to direct it to your own account at that exchange). The exact process / buttons to press is going to vary some from exchange to exchange. You can find a list of exchanges that trade Steem here: https://coinranking.com/coin/fXGcu_EzDgP25+steem-steem/exchanges
I personally use bittrex.com .

Once you have your Steem / SBD on an exchange that lists Steem / SBD, you can trade it for bitcoin. From there you can decide if you want to keep it in bitcoin, or if you want fiat you can convert bitcoin to fiat. I don't believe there are any exchanges that allow a direct Steem to fiat trade without going through an intermediary step like bitcoin. Let me know if you have any specific questions about that process.

I get where you are coming from, and I really appreciate the info ... but just remember what it looks like from the perspective of those who are just learning about the ninja mined stake and what witnesses actually do and trying to keep up with what is going on. Steem just tripled in value -- a lot of small creators aren't going to see the danger of staying around under those conditions unless the benefits of Hive are made clear, because little is clear. I was a professional journalist, and it has still been hard for me to put all the pieces together -- but I do know how to ask questions, seek information, and evaluate sources because of that background ... and you, sir, proved to me that you had the best interest of new Steemians at heart exactly 367 days ago.

Well, guess I'm signing up on Bittrex ... been trying to pick a safe exchange for a minute, so it's about that time...

In as simple terms as possible: The two main value propositions of Steem are that it is a decentralized and censorship-resistant social media network. The current (old) Steem blockchain now is neither decentralized* nor censorship-resistant**, while Hive is.

For someone who doesn't care about a social media network being centralized or having censorship, Steem wasn't the place to begin with. You could always reach a wider audience and make more money on the mainstream social media networks. And for the people who do care about decentralization and censorship, they are going to drop Steem like a hot potato now.

*Steem is not decentralized now because Justin Sun is running at least 20 puppet witnesses (presumably even from a single server) to centralize the blockchain governance under his control and voting for them with the Steemit, Inc stake. The Steemit, Inc stake is removed from the Hive fork.

**Steem is not censorship-resistant now because the steemit.com front end is in fact currently censoring posts. They even added an external black list source in China that they can add posts to censor without even having to change the GITHUB code now.

This is the first time I have EVER gotten a clear, concise explanation. My tenure is just a few days over a year.

Oh well. Next year on this day, I'll have a year on Hive. Wherever the people I respect are going, I am going too, because I'm not into censorship and dictatorship either.

We need you on Hive.

Good news ... There will be a PEAK style site on Hive.

again, why the word "peak"? it doesn't make sense with 'hive' at all.

i liked your ideas from the start, and you did great job on this. you fup photogames because of it, but forgiven :D

i will be on steem for at least 13 weeks so having steempeak to use would be nice. i do feel i will move my regular activities to hive. people are creatures of habit and i have a habit of using whatevernamePeak so nice to hear you will be there.

Will support your block producer (not that my stake will matter a lot)

as for the name, did not read the comments to not be influenced, my first thought is other, but i have no idea what would that be 😀

Good point everyone that is moving to hive is still gonna be on steem for at least 13 weeks.

You created this giant masterpiece and the question for me is, did you get a fair share of development funds from the Steemit stake in the past? That should change on the Hive, it really should change.

  1. What chain do you prefer us to operate on?
    • You should really not be exclusive, but the HIVE should be your Hometown
  2. What do you like about Hive?
    • It's a natural evolution of STEEM, it had to come at some point anyway. JS abusing the development stake is now the reason, but it was time anyway.
  3. If you want to stay on SteemPeak.com tell us why.
    • I don't even understand that question
  4. What 2 URL choices do you prefer for our re-brand?
    • Dpeak.io & Peakd.com
  5. What chain would you prefer our witness to be on?
    • Hive
  6. Any concerns you're having?
    • A big fat Ninja Stake killing STEEM prices since 2016

"Blockchain integration" BAT tipping from Brave browser maybe? 😁

Hi,

I'm not probably answering in the correct way to all of this, but I'm glad you're going to be on Hive. I'm hoping Hive can be the good new beginning, as Justin Sun's actions on Steem didn't do good. I'm hoping we can have similar and even better community on Hive, but far more decentralized that Steem actually ever was!

I have been using Steempeak (at least most of the time) for a good while now and I've been really happy with it. Anyone else would need to do something truly amazing to be better than you guys are. Steempeak has had many features which have made Steem much better to use and you've managed to fix many things that I didn't even realize to be wrong.

My choices for the URLs would be Peakd.com and Peaksocial.com, maybe something other too but I have no idea what it could be.

I could see you witnessing on Hive, you could probably run a witness on Steem too just if Justin Sun were to withdraw sockpuppet accounts, but changes can always be made. Right?

I'm mostly concerned about your re-branding. Because at worst, who knows if you'll go with something like dpeaksocialpeak.networkd 😉

Well written thoughts on the matter, thanks for sharing @apsu.

My pick for a name would have been peak.net but as it's not available I vote for peak.network
Second choice peakd.com
I plan to migrate to Hive - I've long been hoping Steemit could restart.
Something I'm wondering - any predictions on what will happen to the value of Steem and Hive tokens?

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why use the word peak? I don't get it. It's not catchy either.
you need to have the word "hive" in it, that's a no brainer.
Hive is the cool idea, the people vs. tryrants, and please be smart about this. Hive should be part of the name or else you lose the game, the problem of "no consistent branding"

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