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RE: Witness Update: Running v0.23.0 to Support Hive
I see steemchiller on the list. Is that not the person running steemworld? A valued member of the community and has been here the whole time helping the community. There is well over 300 people on the list even though I though the puppets only had about 70 votes each.
As I said in my post, I did not agree with how subjective the criteria is for who was not part of the airdrop. I too think Steemworld is a valuable tool. I hope steemchiller comes to Hive, explains his rationale for supporting centralization of Steem, and goes through the proposal process to get Hive airdropped tokens.
This seems very centralized to me that a core group of people have decided not to give people their equivalent balance in hive as they didn't agree with how they used their stake in the past. What about scammers like haejin and ranchorelaxo who milked the system for years and drove thousands of users away. People like bernie that have spammed and threatened the whole blockchain to mention a few. Doing damage to it's reputation and driving out users.
If you are moving away from justin and steemit inc that's fine but who are the witnesses to say that people can't use their stake in the way that they see fit. I don't see some of the accounts being any more harmful than the ones that i mentioned and think that it should be all or none.
People shouldn't have to apply to a group of devs for stake that they deserve through owning and holding legitimate steem tokens. They don't have to agree with your opinion on how to run the platform or it's no different from what justin is doing himself.
I agree and have pointed out the damage people like bernie, haejin, ranchorelaxo, and others have done many times. I become a target when doing so (bernie had me on a downvote bot for months, set to vote right before payout so few people noticed).
It does feel centralized which is why I was vocally against it. Unfortunately the alternative was to disable my witness, and I still care about Hive and representing those who vote for me too much. I'm hoping the proposal system can be used to make this right. That doesn't rely on devs but on the community showing support for the accounts that would like to participate in the airdrop.
That's what I came to say. Steemchiller is a massive asset to this community.
Steemworld.org is incredible and I use it every day. I notice a decent number of Korean splinterlands players in the list; not sure if they'll be missing out on big balances though.
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See my reply here. As to the Korean community members you mentioned, I think their accounts were included based on the criteria mentioned. If they want to participate in Hive and they can convince the Hive community they will not support centralizing it as they seemed to do with Steem, hopefully things will get worked out.
I assume that you are not that naive to say it is realistic.
Airdrop exclusion list decision was made by selected few (you are one of the main witnesses and it seems that you were not even one of them), behind the curtain. Do you really think these "select few" who excluded them would love to admit that they did a mistake?
From their perspective, they won't view it as a mistake. If the proposal system works to let those accounts participate in the airdrop, it won't matter what their view is because the community of token holders will decided.
"To maintain the overall supply of Hive at the same level as Steem for launch, a portion of HIVE tokens will be airdropped to the Hive dev fund to create a robust resource pool for decentralized development."
So the SINMS still exists, we just have 'good people' in charge of it now?
Where did you get that info? Can you share the link?
https://github.com/openhive-network/hive/blob/0.23.0/libraries/protocol/hardfork.d/0_22.hf
Thanks, but not the exclusion list - where did you see the phrase about the 'hive dev fund'?
https://medium.com/@hiveblocks/press-release-the-new-hive-blockchain-is-launching-heres-everything-you-need-to-know-b95b05d30c7c
No mention of retaining the SINMS for the DAO in blocktrades' original post.
If there's money on offer, people will take it. I'd much rather see witnesses writing and reviewing code. If total supply were lower, and price higher, witness rewards could cover development costs, particularly as there's no clear, urgent path forward after SMT's, which is already coded.
Blockchains need funding to continue development, but if there's consensus to burn stake in the proposal system which got there as part of the Steemit ninja-mined stake, that can be discussed also. The ninja-mined stake was sold as stake to be used for development and promotion of the chain, so I see no contradiction putting it in the proposal system. It's the most accurate thing to do based on the commitments made for almost four years now, IMO.
man, can't believe that you forgot to include me! =)
I only recognised the guys who compete down at my level ;)
Have met you at splinterlands a while ago - hope everything is going well.
I will keep it short for now. By just counting the numbers you clearly see some of the allegations are based on mere propaganda, not facts.
I still play but not as active and and down a lot lower than yourself. Same for my steem activity as i have a lot less time at the moment and have pulled back from it a lot.