PSA - If You Are Planning on Investing in SONM Please Read This

in #ico7 years ago (edited)


Introduction


As many of you know I like to invest in interesting ICOs. Recently I have been interested in distributed computing projects like Golem and Elastic.


The SONM ICO is today.

A lot of people have been recommending that I invest in SONM which starts its ICO today so I went to check it out and find out more.

When I went to the Bitcointalk thread the first thing that struck me was that they seem to be making very grand claims - maybe it is just me but I generally think it is better to under-promise and over-deliver.

This was an immediate red flag as it just looks to be setting them up for problems. A competent team would not be doing this.

Further I am not familiar with the core team here - not unusual in cryptocurrency but I generally tend to be more careful (or at least try to be these days).

I noted that Max Kordek (LISK) is an adviser but it is not clear what this role entails so I'm not sure how much legitimacy this adds. The ETH core developers seem to be "advising" on any and every ICO and I doubt even they could tell you which ones they are a part of. If it all goes wrong I am not sure how Max would be able to help.

More positively the fact that they were using Sebastian Ju (a long trusted community member for Escrow) was a plus though - then I found some troubling comments that were posted by Sebastian earlier today:


No Escrow and Nobody Bothered to Tell Sebastian


Here is the text of what Sebastian Posted on Bitcointalk (link):

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Sebastian Ju was supposed to be the escrow.

Hello everyone, SebastianJu here, official escrow of SONM. Normally I would have written something already days ago about how things will move and would have given more details. Unfortunately I lost contact with everyone from SONM some time ago. I requested to speak about and check the new contracts some time already and was told it will happen before the ICO.

Well, I often tried to get in contact the last days also, sent pm's on bitcointalk as well as email and dm's on slack to rebel.salesman, who normally is my contact, alexey and sergey. I was ignored except finally sergey answered me with the actual link to the ico contract on github. I checked and found it a bit strange to read nothing about anything pointing to the use of an escrow.

So I used a channel with sergey and rebel.salesman on slack and wanted things to clear. Time already was pretty far by that point because no one bothered to speak with me:

@channel it looks to me like there is no escrow involved anymore in the ico contract. I would appreciate to hear something else but the code leaves a different impression. Also you did not communicate with me at all about the ico even though I was told we would speak upfront about it. I tried to get in contact all the last days. Time is forward way too far now so it does not sound believable to happen. Also having too much work to do is not believable since the seamless work of the escrow part is fundamental for the safety of the ICO into both directions.

I do not know what happened. Maybe you would have wished to renegotiate the escrow fee. You did not try that at all. Maybe you wanted more safety... in that case I would have been able to bring in one or two other trustworthy escrows and create a 3 of 5 multisig. but no communication happened.

Guys, I will go to bed now. Please answer me in a proper way so that it looks like you take this serious. I hope this can be cleared earlier than 6 hours before the ICO starts.

I really hope you can tell me I interpreted everything wrongly.

Well, 2 hours earlier rebel.salesman answered me with this:

"Sebastian, hi, sorry for delayed response - lots of work to do at the moment. We are going to use ICO smart contract with multisignature as the escrow. Multisignature will be held by Sergey Ponomarev, Alexey Antonov, and SONM advisers.

I'm really sorry we didn't contact you earlier to discuss it. Lots of work is not an excuse, we should tell you about it before.

Anyway, it's pleasure to have business with you. Thank you for your help and your time during the preICO!"

So the ICO is NOT escrowed anymore. The invested funds will be held by the SONM team totally. I can not provide any safety from now on and I need to take my name from the safety sign of the SONM ICO. Just to make clear that I will have no access nor control about invested funds.

Not sure what to say about that behavior. I believe nobody would have contacted me without me pressuring that way. People would have invested believing I hold the funds in escrow. Which is not the case.

Nobody contacted me about negotiating something upfront, telling me about a change or tried changing something in the deal for the ICO.

So that's what I unfortunately only found out by putting pressure on the topic.

So again... this ICO is not escrowed anymore. Funds will be hold and controlled by SONM totally from the start.

So in summary it seems that rather than an escrow being used there will be a multi-signature contract instead BUT this will be controlled entirely by the team.

Nobody bothered to discus this with Sebastian or the community before the change of plans.


My Thoughts


This thing just seems full of red flags to me:

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Surprising behaviour.

  1. The hyperbolic claims sound unprofessional and suggest a lack of experience - that is the kind interpretation.

  2. The treatment of Sebastian Ju is outrageous and smacks of incompetence and just downright lack of courtesy.

  3. The sudden abandonment of Escrow makes no sense - a multi-signature wallet which is controlled entirely by the team requires you to entirely trust the team in the first place - so I don't see the point.

  4. If this were a professional team they would have postponed the ICO and discussed these issues with the community before proceeding.

  5. The failure to disclose the change in escrow arrangements to the community shows either deliberate dishonesty or(almost as bad) extreme negligence.

  6. The behaviour of the team in this case does not make me confident enough to make an investment (- to put it lightly).


Conclusion


I am not saying that SONM is a scam but it seems the team is acting in a way that will undoubtably lead to the accusation. That just makes it a bad investment.

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There is no need to invest hastily there are plenty of other ICO opportunities.

It is easy to get caught up in FOMO - I have often done that in the past but I am working on being more discerning when it comes to investing.

Now it is entirely possible that the team will end up producing a great product but right now it looks like it has the makings of a disaster and there are so many other ETH ICOs that we are spoilt for choice.

If the SONM team get their act together in the future I might buy some on exchanges but right now I will keep my ETH for other projects.

Right now I WILL NOT BE INVESTING.

I would love to hear what other people think.


Thank you for reading


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I read their whitepaper and found it to be a loose collection of buzzwords with no structure. The description of their supposed global computer makes absolutely no sense. They even try to surf the wave of formal verification by claiming they verified the code using pi-calculus (like RChain does) but are so clueless about what pi-calculus actually is that they had to go copy/paste from a book a definition!

The pi-calculus is a minimal language for describing systems of processes that communicate on named
channels, with facilities for dynamic creation of new channels. We use it here without defining it formally

This sentence is literally ripped off from chapter 6.1 of Foundations of Security Analysis and Design: FOSAD 2006/2007 Turtorial Lectures

I haven't searched any further for plagiarism, but the style and content of the whitepaper is so inconsistent that I wouldn't be surprised at all if it was found to be a patchwork of content stolen from multiple difference sources.

This ICO smells very very fishy indeed.

(self upvoted to increase warning visibility)

All my alarms went off the moment i saw the WP. stay away indeed

Thanks for confirming my suspicions mate. To be honest I haven't seen this kind of ineptness on a development team's behalf since 2014.

It gave me an iffy feeling just reading what was on bitcoin talk and watching their promo video - it really did feel like they searched for the most popular "buzz" words and put them all together in a kind of word salad.

My gut was screaming "AVOID" to me!

People like me are not technically knowledgeable enough to always spot these things and I think these kind of things can get us into trouble if we get caught up in the ICO fever.

I didn't even know what Pi calculus is, I would have assumed it was some kind of pure maths thing for finding gradients on spheres!

I suspect they are relying on the fact that most people will see the buzzwords and will be too embarrassed to say they don't get it.

Thankfully the unprofessional behaviour with Sebastian basically underlined my suspicions and ruled me out.

As for the SONM team in general, I just hope it is incompetence and not outright deliberate dishonesty because it would be bad for the whole community if it was.

Not only would it tar ETH and ETH ICOs negatively but would also be bad for LISK due to Max Kordek being an adviser.

Yeah I agree entirely. There might be some nuggets of the idea that will live on but I think this might be money for learning a lesson. Just a bit of the point however - we need to learn the same lessons with these ICOs that the .com bubble learned.

Well I really hope there is not too many projects that tarnish the reputation of Ethereum. There will be some. I am even more worried about projects that make outlandish claims that Ethereum in its current form is unable to keep up with. There is a lot of growing room - this is experimental software at this point.

Some valuable discussion about the price and ICO irresponsibility in my latest post here: Step Back, Elephant in the Room: it's time to talk about the price.


https://steemit.com/ethereum/@kyle.anderson/step-back-elephant-in-the-room-it-s-time-to-talk-about-the-price

Thanks for your wise words mate. I will check the post out shortly.

With all of the hype lately, there were some things that I felt I needed to say and share. With almost everyone in the space so incredibly optimistic, there was some criticism and hard truths that needed to be expressed.

Definitely one of the more important things I have written in a while.

Thank you for this. The white paper was knocking my head but I had no idea that was plagiarism.

Wow. Glad I have been staying away from these ICOs... yuck

They scammed already your intuition is superb

Being new to the crypto currency world, it seems like there are a lot of opportunities to make the wrong choice. So, when there is a new ICO on the brink and not a whole lot of unbiased information out there about it , it can be even easier to take terrible risks. Thank you for this informative article, I appreciate the effort you made in researching this ICO first hand and sharing your experience with everyone.

There's a lot of risk in this space, but also a lot of opportunity. We can be happy it is less regulated, but it does put more pressure on the individual to pay its due diligence before throwing money on the table with some previously unknown party.

You're welcome.

It is a huge problem the lack of unbiased information. It is even worse that the community as a whole is so optimistic that any criticism is often shuttered. It is great seeing people who have done some investigation share their concerns.

My latest post might be of interest regarding the ICO craze and price.

I was massively put off SONM because of the way they handled their DrugDiscovery@Home BOINC project: https://boinc.drugdiscoveryathome.com/forum_thread.php?id=2091

Thanks I wasn't aware of that!

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Yeah, the DD@H project had a planned ethereum token too: http://www.drugdiscoveryathome.com/index.php/dd-token/

Gridcoin's DD@H thread: https://cryptocurrencytalk.com/topic/51590-drugdiscoveryhome/?page=1

Andrew Voronkov who was cofounder of drug and sonm left the team

Very interesting.. It's a shame, but given the recent track record I have little sympathy.

If this is all true, from a business perspective, this behaviour is truly unprofessional. I hope for all investors this works out as seems like some craziness and lack of planning might be their downfall.

Well the ICO hasn't started yet.

Thanks cryptofiend. What other ICO that you think is kind of scammy?

Depends on what you mean by scammy. I think some ICOs have been executed poorly but I don't think they are actual scams as such. Examples would be the Gnosis and BAT ICOs which sold out ridiculously fast with a small distribution. That's not to say that there aren't genuinely fraudulent ICOs I just tend not to hear about them these days.

Followed-upvoted-resteemed. This is why I love Steemit and what upvotes are for. Thank you for your time and research!!

You're welcome:)

I personally dont think its a scam but I am very hesitant about investing due to the teams behaviour. Dropping escrows just before the ICO without telling anyone is very unprofessional. Also the complete lack of communications from the team about the ICO for sevaral days now.
Its a large project and at the moment it doesnt look like they can handle it.

Yes - probably not a scam but it is very unprofessional and doesn't bode well for their abilities to develop a viable product.

The 117k ETH cap aslo seems very high. It should at least warrant an explanation. Many ICO usually takes around $ 10 million unless there is some special need for the funds.

Good point - in fact I heard someone else say something similar - it just looks greedy. How can a startup even spend that much money?

I was actually thinking about buying into SONM, so thank you for this. Seriously.

You're welcome. Me too but there will be plenty of other ICOs on ETH.

Yeah, there seem to be more ICOs, than one could read sales pitches, let alone whitepapers.
And quite frankly, if that is the team giving their honest best, they're more likely to drive that car against the wall than cross the finish as a winner.
Well, the project certainly has its merits, so I wish them good luck nonetheless. I'll just do the wishing from a distance.

Lol my thoughts exactly:)

👍 Nice upvoted

Thanks for the info, what do you think of EOS?

I'm still making my mind up. I like the concept not so sure about how well the way they will raise funds is going to work. At least they are trying to innovate though.