RE: The final intractable problem for the Flat Earthers...24-hour sun at the South Pole.
You're pointing to fake videos of Antarctica as something pointing toward a flat Earth, but fake videos about something don't tell you anything about it other than fakes have been created.
You're also pointing at the bible as a source of information and logic, but it has been proved to be wrong (and fake). Sure, the bible might have truth in it as well as all the lies and confabulations, but why not look to books that aren't known to be full of falsehoods, like physics texts? At least if something in a physics text falls out of favour, it doesn't appear in the next version. The bible continues to tell its lies, inaccuracies, and fables as "the truth", and people like yourself are mentioning it in otherwise fact-based discussions as though it has any merit.
I'm not sure your quest for the truth will go far until you abandon the known lies and focus on things that haven't been proven wrong.
The Bible & physics textbooks are equally flawed in my view, both controlled by flawed humans with agendas, but one has had much better PR than the other lately.
Seems logical to me that education has always been gatekept by people like this 👇
The bible and physics textooks are both written by people. Physics textbooks are edited as new information comes in. The bible claims to have had the truth all along, but has been proved wrong over and over and over. There's almost nothing in the bible that hasn't been falsified, and what's left doesn't provide any clue as to the shape of this planet (or any others).
To throw science out as "human", "flawed", or "full of agendas" is to show you don't know what science is. It isn't a body of knowledge, it's a way of thinking about life and our experience. It's the best way we have of understanding reality, always improving, never stagnating, never mired in dogma, our holdout against the ravages of ignorance and superstition.
Gatekeepers, sure. But I've actually DONE science, myself. I went above the gatekeeper's heads and saw the data, did the calculations, measured gravity and time and the distance to the sun. It's real, even if you don't understand it. Just like the code in blockchain. I don't understand it, but I have programmer buddies who do, and they tell me it's legit. Are they gatekeeping the truth from us? Maybe. We could spend a couple years teaching ourselves programming, and figure it out ourselves, kinda like how I taught myself about science and math.
Pretty sure the Bible has also been remixed quite a few times.
Science can never be separate from human flaw. There are always humans doing & interpreting the science, subject to all of the same flaws & imperfections as other humans.
I have found there is a big gap between the propagandized ideals of science & the actual practice. Especially at the top of the most grand science organizations, where the most politically intelligent become the most powerful.
Does this 👇
“it's a way of thinking about life and our experience. It's the best way we have of understanding reality, always improving, never stagnating, never mired in dogma, our holdout against the ravages of ignorance and superstition.”
Match this 👇
“I've actually DONE science, myself. I went above the gatekeeper's heads and saw the data, did the calculations, measured gravity and time and the distance to the sun. It's real, even if you don't understand it. “
Does the scientific mindset say I proved it so it must be true? Or does the scientific mindset continually welcome new information to challenge what was previously thought of as true?
No, the bible can't be edited when things are found to be wrong. Why would you claim that? My point is that the bible claims to be true, but has been found false, while science never claimed to be true, only to be the best possible current understanding, always changing as new info comes in.
I'm not sure what the second half of your comment was about, sorry.
A great book on the topic is by Carl Sagan, called "The Demon-Haunted World". I just finished Orwell's '1984', and next I'm going to re-read the above. Carl foresaw this when he wrote it in the 90s, pretty much right down to the conversation we're having now. :(
I don’t think a book can claim itself to be true, only the people selling it can do that.
The bible based on my understanding has been edited & translated & massaged to fit the times or propaganda needs of the individual publisher many times over
The second 1/2 of my comment was really meant to ask if science should be closed or open minded?
& should we as individuals be closed or open minded about our own personal science?
I don't know, but what I do know is you aren't serious about getting to the bottom of this, and I only have so much time in a day.
Was definitely serious, just trying to think logically about things.
Wouldn’t set out to waste your time or mine 👍