Open Letter to @GrumpyCat Progress Report
Progress Report
What happened after this post
The letter attracted attention, including @grumpycat.
As of today, the post is seen by 747 people with 83 upvotes and 121 comments.
@grumpycat upvoted with a huge upvote and resteemed this post.@grumpycat stopped downvoting since 20.01.2018 - no posts attacked.
The upvote bot @boomerang decreased the maximum post age to 2.5 days link
@themarkymark blogged a very convincing post on "why we should vote hims for witness" link
I am convinced to his pure intentions on fighting with spam.
Moreover, he also accepted to decrease the maximum post age to 3 days.
I am now sure my vote is at good hands.The open letter accumulated 194.98 SBD so far.
Since I never intended to make money from this post and the money mostly came from upvote of @grumpycat I decided to distrubute the (SBD income - cost) to @grumpycat victims. The list can be found here
The cost is the 9 SBD initial promotion cost.
Conclusion
I am still afraid of an early optimism but it seems that there are good achievements.
I don't want to fall in "I always whistle at sunrise so the sun is rising because I whistle" kind of fallacy.
If the problem is solved, it is not really important who is behind it.
It is mostly because people involved started to think reasonable.
Either way what we have in our hand is :
- @grumpycat seems to stop hitting innocent people due to usage of upvote bots.
- Major bots decreased to less than 3.5 days, this is good for spam prevention and good curation
- We have some money to cover @grumpycat 's victims losses.
That is fair enough.
Stay positive.
FD.
Thank you for stopping this mad cat!
If @themarkymark don't want people to promote "shit posts" (his words) with bots only to make money from the direct ROI, then maybe he (and all bot owners) can simply decide to cap the "direct ROI" of their bots to zero. This way people promoting posts always pay some money in the process (direct ROI < 0), and this is the cost of the promotion.
After all people must always "pay something" to the bot when they want to add some "promotion value" to a post and never gain a direct ROI.
With a cap to the "direct ROI" to 0 it's sure that at the end there is always a cost in every promotion, note that the "final ROI" can be >0 for legitimate promotion:
At the moment the bot promoting system it's far from the economic equilibrium and everyone have "direct ROI" > 0 from every kind of promotion, this is not good.
To have ROI < 0 for all posts is not a bad idea at all.
This means people, only if they believe in the value of their posts will promote their posts.
For ROI>0 on value content, this would need someone to curate all the posts as value and non-value content.
Sometimes the border is very thin and bots,even humans can not do this.
The best is to comment it @themarkymark post. I am sure he will reply you back.
FD.
The best way to solve this is an instant bot, but everyone will just use the ones that do give them an ROI.
Yes, you cannot solve the problem alone. It's a tricky one. And probably it's not a technical issue, it's an human issue. It's like a war game: stakeholders must constantly act to promote quality and to avoid short term exploits of the platform.
That is correct...free market rules and game theory involved.
Maybe @steemcleaners can publish a bot abusers digest that bots can ... digest as a blacklist. This way bids from certain blacklistees will just be auto rejected.
@steemcleaners digest can be crowdsourced by users.
I recommend this because some people are not in the habit of useless posts. They also aren't trying to abuse or they think information is generally useful that others do not. Some of these are newer users that just don't know any better.
I think having a curated blacklist that users can get on through community vetting and also maybe earn their way off by producing valuable content would be useful. Not only would some users not be offended, but there's a path to rehabilitation for abusers.
I'd like to point out that @steemcleaners has created an economy out of crowdsourcing abuse vetting curators. I think leveraging the data they mine into bot abuse is the obvious move.
Help me stop @grumpycat
Just read the post below and resteem if you agree...
https://steemit.com/life/@firedream/stop-the-grumpycat
FD.
Good to know that your post managed to make an impact. It is also good that these rich whales heard you. Before this steemit was behaving like a country where the rich control the laws and the bottom level toils and suffers for their luxuries.
I also appreciate the idea that you will be distributing the reward money among the victims.
Thank you @themobilewriter.
That's really kind of you to let go of the profit for the innocent people who just got dragged along. Good job!
it is mostly money received from @grumpycat...
Even so, good karma
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Thank you @firedream !!!
You are welcome. Help me to get the voice heard...resteem https://steemit.com/life/@firedream/grumpy-cat-strikes-again-at-least-some-payback please...
FD.
Sure will do it now!!!