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RE: SETTING ASIDE THE PHYSICAL PAIN (Going to bed at level 10 and waking at level 1)

in #life7 years ago

That's very fascinating. What a gift your friend gave you! Knowledge of medicinal herbs is really a very precious commodity.

I think my midwife gave me something related during the birth of my first baby. It wasn't something that took the pain away, but it did make the processing of it quite a bit different. Hard to describe how that works.

I don't think I was actually at the point you're describing, though, (birth is not nearly that painful - the start-loading-bullets-pain doesn't happen, at least for me) and I kind of wish she hadn't thought it was good to give me herbs because something in the concoction she gave me really made it difficult to concentrate or remember what happened during that birth. Sounds like Ghost Pipe might be less memory-affecting...and it can't possibly be worse than taking oxycontin or fentanyl or any of the other prescribed pain meds that really can mess you up. I wonder if it would work for someone with trigeminal neuralgia?

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It might, contact Darryl at the link for him and talk to him! What he makes and gives is not the same as others have told me they have used (very watered down) and theirs were very pale blue and not the royal purple (almost black) that Darryl does. Working with herbals really opens us all up to the ways they can and do work. Sorry to hear that you were given something that took away from your birthing experience (I prefer to go gently on herbals and let the body take what it needs to heal itself). The joy in herbals is the learning that your body takes what is needed and flushes the rest (some can remove that control and I hesitate to use them except in dire situations).
After being on so many prescribed drugs I can tell you even morphine did not set the pain away and I did not want to be a legal junkie!

I might do that - my mother in law has TN and occasionally is in great pain from it; but the thing about TN is that it's sort of like a phantom pain, as if you're getting stabbed in the face with needles even though you aren't. It seems like perhaps the kind of pain Ghost Pipe might be good for, especially since she really, really does not want to take pain meds and tends to just tough it out when she's having an episode of it. Something that could sort of "set the pain to the side" would be right up her alley.

I agree on the going gently with herbals - I think the temptation for many people is to treat them as harmless because they're "just herbs", but the reason the herbs are being used is because they're medicinal in nature and like all medicine can have their good points and bad points. So they need to be treated with respect.

The good news is I've gone through the next two births with nothing at all and was a lot happier: I was much more in control and I remember everything clearly, plus I was much better able to participate and even problem solve. Much more satisfying and not so overwhelming. Herbal baths for healing are an absolute must, however - not skipping those!

I don't blame you. The painkillers are a nasty breed.

What many folks don't know or understand is how a chemical drug works, it tells your body what to do, it is the control over your normal natural healing.
Going with herbals/food it works with your body, your body is talking to the herb and the herb responds by going where it is needed (it is how our bodies are designed). A friend wished to get off BP drugs and asked what might work, I made a few suggestions, modified a tincture for him and in spite of it being geared for the BP his gut had to heal for it to work right for him so we added some plantago to the mix, modified his diet and then he started seeing results. Herbs working with the body in a slow method allows the body to be in charge.
@Oilyshumblehome also suffers from Neuralgia and I have asked her to chime in here as well on how she works with it (she is into oils).
With Big Pharma trying to poo poo herbals and the controls they are trying to slam on all herbalist it makes it difficult to make suggestions and stay within the confines and not get sued.

It'd be very interesting to hear @oilyshumblehome 's take! I'm not sure how much I'd be able to talk Mom into a nontraditional approach (even though she doesn't want to go the pharma route), but maybe having someone else who's been there would help. The biggest trouble with convincing her is that she always goes on the Internet and finds all the reasons an alternative solution really might not work and if she isn't actually in pain right at that moment, maybe it's just gone away and she doesn't need to worry about it...but if the knowledge was ready when she needed it and it worked, then we might get somewhere.

I think a huge part of working with drugs versus herbs is that someone willing to work with herbs is also willing to take a look at the causes behind the problem they're having. It seems as if nine times out of ten, drugs cover up problems but don't actually working on fixing/healing them.

I've had contact with a good herbalist since I was about 10 and suffering from terrible stomachaches all the time. Had we gone to a doctor, I suspect I would've ended up on some stomach drug like prilosec (not necessarily, just citing a random name). The herbalist said, "You have low stomach acid. Cut out salt for a month and have a banana shake with whey powder in it once a day."

Cured the problem. I've been going to her with various things ever since and what never ceases to amaze me is how it's not really the various herbs that are the "miracle pill" but understanding what the problem is and working to treat it, however that's most effectively done. Being low on B12 didn't mean a simulated vitamin supplement, it meant eating brown rice and sweet potatoes three times per week and figuring out a way to eat brewer's yeast every day (I'd say oatmeal cookies are best, but those aren't so good for you every day!).

In Mom's case, she won't drink water and drinks diet pop instead. This has to have caused gut havoc and potential brain disconnects as well. I suspect the aspartame is hugely at fault for some of the nerve issues, but nerve issues also run in the family so it could just be exacerbating an underlying weakness.

Lack of water is a primary condition, add aspartame to the mix and it becomes lethal! It very well may be a cause for it to be exacerbated in her. Water flushes out all the waste and not having it readily available creates a walking talking toxic waste machine. Has your Mother been willing to go have a talk with your herbalist?

Just getting back from a short trip!

Oh absolutely I think the water is huge! The only trouble is I haven't been able to convince her of it or find an article or something that she will accept as proof that she really is ingesting a lethal combination with no water and lots of aspartame.

I haven't actually asked Mom to talk to our herbalist, mostly because she is very resistant to trying to solve problems that aren't pressing. She's very much an in-the-moment person and one of her favorite thoughts is that everything is random because there's no consensus on what the cause might be. For instance, both my husband and I have suggested to her that she should try not drinking the diet pop and see if that helps, but as soon as the TN flareup dies down she says she didn't see any difference between drinking it and not drinking it and there's no conclusive proof one has anything to do with the other. Unless we could convince her to stop drinking it and the TN immediately receded within hours, she won't see a link.

At present, I'm more trying to build a toolbox of how to help her when the day arrives that I'm going to be responsible for her care. So anything I can find that I could begin introducing to help her or understanding of how the neuralgia itself works is interesting to me even if maybe not to her at the moment [grin]. If I did build up a store in information, I might be able to interest her at that point, especially since I know she really does not ever want to end up on pain meds.

Perhaps you need to start a thread/blog on just this topic and it can be shared to others and have all chime in?

Not entirely sure how to approach that - other than as in this instance to ask questions from other people with chronic pain and learn alternate methods of dealing with it beyond fentanyl and oxycontin, etc. How would you go about it, do you think?