RE: Immune Sensitization: SARS Vaccines Make COVID-19 Infection More Deadly
You are a dog faced pony liar, you never read shit from the only reliable source given on one of his links, if you had you'd come across this:
Nine patients with viral pneumonia and negative for common respiratory pathogens, who presented to at least three hospitals in Wuhan, were included in this study. Eight of the patients had visited the Huanan seafood market before the onset of illness, and one patient (WH04) did not visit the market but stayed in a hotel near the market between Dec 23 and Dec 27, 2019 (table). Five of the patients (WH19001, WH19002, WH19004, WH19008, and YS8011) had samples collected by the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) which were tested for 18 viruses and four bacteria using the RespiFinderSmart22 Kit (PathoFinder, Maastricht, Netherlands) on the LightCycler 480 Real-Time PCR system (Roche, Rotkreuz, Switzerland). Presence of SARS-CoV and MERS-CoV was tested using a previously reported method.14 All five CDC samples were negative for all common respiratory pathogens screened for. Four of the patients (WH01, WH02, WH03, and WH04) had samples collected by BGI (Beijing, China), and were tested for five viruses and one bacterium using the RespiPathogen 6 Kit (Jiangsu Macro & Micro Test, Nantong, China) on the Applied Biosystems ABI 7500 Real-Time PCR system (ThermoFisher Scientific, Foster City, CA, USA). All four samples were negative for the targeted respiratory pathogens.
You know what that means or do I have to spell it out for you?....I'll spell it out anyway. That means the patients infected with COVID19 exhibited no SARS or MERS in their bodies....which means not naturally or not from a vaccination as they would have found the antibodies.
The articles goes on a quite lengthy, all thanks to you I had to spend my time reading and deciphering it all, to explain all the what seems like zillions, or at least to me seemed as such or might have well said, of test run against every known virus ever put in the data bases, again thank you very much, (/s), only to come to the conclusion at the end that this virus does originate from bats where the virus has mutated, then when to infect another source, which at the time they hadn't figured out but now we know it's some frickin' ant eater. What this guy did was cherry pick exerts from the article while REAL scientist were trying to rule out what it wasn't with what it was...but that still had that "third host" gap at that time. Then the nut case takes some shit from over a decade old and starts fear mongering about a vaccine when all it ever said was, and I am sure during a lot of medical studies with mice many studies with them prove regardless of what they are studying, ....we do not recommend you do this and here is the reason why. So they scratch that off the drawing board. The plain fact that they found absolutely no SARS or MERS in these nine patients pretty much confirms he hasn't the slightest idea what he's talking about.
What the scientist are the most worried about is whats driving the rapid speed of transmission....(at the time they wrote that article) what mutated in the two different bat viruses closely aligned, what was the missing link (ant eater?) and what role could it play to host out a whole new faster spreading virus?
In conclusion, we have described the genomic structure of a seventh human coronavirus that can cause severe pneumonia and have shed light on its origin and receptor-binding properties. More generally, the disease outbreak linked to 2019-nCoV again highlights the hidden virus reservoir in wild animals and their potential to occasionally spill over into human populations.
Now with that said if what he was saying held any truth no one would be a survivor as anyone who got any claimed vaccine would all die. There has also been deaths outside of China and, you were slow on the uptake of this one, they never got a vaccine from China and they also died from pneumonia. Plus Ralph ordering a mandatory vaccine regiment does not mean they meant for a specific vaccine or new vaccine. Granted I did not go look to see if China had a mandatory child vaccine schedule like the US but maybe they didn't and they implemented one, or maybe they, like in many other places there are a growing number of people not getting them and now they want them to know it's absolutely required. I mean really, think about what this guy is saying, which is that despite the evidence China went ahead and forced people to get a vaccine based on poor scientific research that showed that a particular vaccines for the SARS virus when confronted with any other number of virus a person could catch would cause death within a matter of days. Really Ralph? One of the most slave labor driven economic machines in the world and their going to force a vaccine on their slaves based on science that says: Don't do that or else.
I watched a program today I recorded after seeing a commercial that they were going to interview a US Senator on what was going on with China and the virus. Sen. Tom Cotton said that so far China has refused all help from the US, up to and including sending the CDC Specialist over there. He has a greater concern because from what he said was he does not believe the virus originated at the sea food market and that the virus was brought there, he didn't mean deliberately but he had concerns in regards to the bio lab down the road, that concern arises more out of the fact they've refused help and as to why. He said they don't have all the answers yet when it comes to this virus and how it manages to spread so quickly or why it's so contagious. Again though it's all speculative because of the "unknowns". If you go by what the scientist said in the Lancet article there is one known, that is of the nine patients none of them tested positive for SARS or MERS, which I am gathering would give Sen. Cotton more pause as it may have serious consequences as this may or could have the potential to be involved in bio weaponry. Again, this is all speculative, but the take away from it all is this: If the best in the industry doesn't know all that we are dealing with I am sure this nut case anti vaxer hasn't the slightest idea what he's talking about at this juncture.
I appreciate your strong feelings on this matter. Thanks for being forthright.
However, I am not a liar. You haven't understood the science, nor did you look at the video or the links showing that China did vaccinate it's people for SARS.
Not everyone dies, and your claim that if it was true that the CoV vaccines caused this problem they would if they had been vaccinated is false. Your claim that they have not been vaccinated if they don't have SARS or MERS in them is false.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27269431
That is not from Dr. James Lyons-Weiler. He's not making shit up. The scientists that did this study in 2016 are Agrawal, Tao, Algaissi, Garron, Narayanan, Peng, Couch, and Tseng. You'll notice neither I nor Dr. Lyons-Weiler are in that list. The above quote is their statement, which I cite. I didn't write it. It's what their research shows, and if you're going to call folks liars, you'll better go to the source of the statement you disagree with.
I'm just a messenger.
The fact is that peer reviewed research shows that vaccines for coronaviruses cause sensitization to the virii later, and make infections with those viruses worse. The current virus causing the epidemic in China contains the same spike that SARS and MERS do, and has the same problem with vaccines. All three of these viruses are coronaviruses.
I wish that wasn't true, but facts don't care about my wishes.
I wish you all the best.
Ralph, Ralph, Ralph, all that means is that when they developed an inactive vaccine and injected into lab animals carrying the live virus it has a virulent effect. It doesn't mean that someone once vaccinated against the Sars virus, or someone sick with the Sars virus or any other virus prompted it, it meant that they couldn't use the same typical vaccine method of using a killed virus to develop a vaccine to kill the live virus inside the mice without it affecting the lungs. They found the exact same problem when trying to develop a vaccine for Sars, Sars killed virus reacted virulently with the live virus. That's why Ralph there's been no vaccine for Sars or Mers found to this very day. They haven't figured out how to accomplish it yet.
Now they've changed the name from COVID 19 to Sars COV 2 as they think now that the SARS virus has mutated into this new SARS COV 2.
No, that's not what it means. When they give a lab animal a SARS vaccine, it makes antibodies just like they want. When it get a coronavirus, the disease is massively worse for the lab animals that have been vaccinated.
Read the links @sunlit7.
https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2005-08/06/content_466753.htm
They vaccinated for SARS years ago.
SARS CoV-2 is the name of the virus. COVID-19 is the name of the disease. It's stupid, I agree.
https://www.health24.com/Medical/infectious-diseases/News/why-is-there-still-no-vaccine-for-the-coronavirus-20200130
Well, I'm reading it now, and gonna say, the very first sentence I saw was this:
So, the CDC receives hundreds of thousands of samples from folks diagnosed with Flu. This flu season 16% of the samples they received were actually the flu, of one type or another. That means that 84% of the folks that think they got the flu actually got something else, what they call and ILI, or influenze like infection.
The flu shot doesn't contain the flu. Since the flu vaccine is only able to target one strain of flu, and there are multiple strains, the actual number of people that get the strain they are vaccinated for is something less than 16%. Dunno how much less, but it's less. Then there's the fact that vaccines harm ~10% of the folks that get them. Some folks get the flu from the vaccine, as I've seen this year.
So, my confidence in this source is low, because they're opening sentence is a false premise.
Back to reading...
Ok, I finished the article, and it doesn't ever refer to any actual problem that arises from SARS vaccines, and you've seen the peer reviewed sources I've linked that state vaccines for these viruses cause heightened sensitivity to subsequent infection, and greatly increase pneumonia and death in vaccinated subjects.
News24 doesn't mention that at all.
So, you stick with journos, and I'll stick with scientists and peer reviewed sources.
I knew right off the bat but went back and confirmed that the flu vaccine contains three to four strains of the flu each year. I also know it's a crap shoot each time they develop the vaccine. Yes they actually do inject you with a small dose of the actual vaccine that they grow or produce in one way or another. There is never any claim made that they get it right each year, last year they were way off and the vaccine was essentially useless for the flu that last year. This year the RSV virus hit particularly hard, it's not a influenza but it does act similar to flu symptoms. I know because my entire immediate family kept getting it. The first bout was the hardest with them throwing up. The second round wasn't as bad....and because everyone kept getting sick I went and looked up what the emergency rooms doctors told them they had when they went in the first time. Seems the virus can live on surfaces in the home and cause reinfection. I went to the store and bought them lysol disinfectant spray and told them they had to wipe down all solid surfaces with the lysol wipes, especially door knobs then spray the spray around to land on all the surfaces they couldn't wipe down. That took care of it. That really messed up all my planned baking and arts and crafts with the grand kid prior to Thanksgiving and Christmas, we actually ended up doing Christmas crafts the week after Christmas when they still had another week off from school. Though I wasn't as exposed to them as I usually was because they were to sick to come over I was the only one exposed to them that didn't get sick but I was also the only one who got a flu shot. Like I was in close contact with my one son as I'd take him to work every morning and I took my grandson to school so before he started running a fever I was exposed to him coughing in the car also. So this virus was all up in my car and the surface of my car but I never got sick. The thought did enter my head that maybe my flu shot gave me some sort of immunity of protection. I never use to get the flu shot as I always thought when I got sick it was a cold. About ten years ago I started getting them and I haven't gotten as sick as I use to since. I rarely get sick at that now. I'll keep getting them because I hate to be sick. Granted I take extra precautions during the winter months especially close to the holidays. I go to the stores later at night when it's less crowded, I've even had to take people to the store during the day and waited in the car if it was crowded.
As far as the corona virus is concerned the reason they haven't been able to make a vaccine as compatible as the flu is because at first they thought it was as simple making a live virus to spike the immune system. When they tried, as stated, injecting a live virus into mice infected with the virus caused more damage. They have to cover all the bases and different possible scenarios. They were and have been failures. What they have found though it the answer actually may lay with finding a way to stop the spike factor that all corona viruses tend to have, that's the crowd of the virus that enables the virus to spread through the body. So now they are not even dealing with trying to fight the virus with the virus through an immune response they are trying to find a way to top it by control the spike factor. If they can figure that out they may be able to control corona viruses altogether.
Where all this other misinformation comes from is the fact that it's important to work as a collaborative across all countries in the fight to offset any potential pandemic, therefore they release the structure of any new virus into a data base available to all. That's where there keyboard scientist who couldn't get a job in a notable national lab if they tried latch onto them and spread their home brewed theories to people like you who evidently have nothing better to do all day then to sit around and watch them.
You got the general idea. Good.
You know you're criticizing the scientific qualifications of a Phd, right? Their 12 years of education followed by a doctoral thesis and challenge establishes their competence, and neither you nor I have that competence. I recommend listening to them, rather than calling them incompetent and their published research 'home brewed'.
That's what I do, when I have nothing better to do than sit around all day and read peer reviewed research. At least you're not calling this 'antivax conspiracies' anymore. That's a huge advance over calling me a liar. I'm glad you've got a better grasp of why the SARS vaccination(s) China gave it's people probably has a lot to do with why China is suffering such a severe epidemic, while the rest of the world, even places like Africa and India that have limited medical infrastructure, aren't.
I never said China gave their people a SARS vaccination, there's never been one approved so how can they give them one? Just because someone has been licensed does't mean they graduated at the top of their class. Just within the last couple weeks I had a personal experience of my own as an example of that. My cats are like ancient, I don't recalled the exact years I got them but they are both somewhere between eighteen to twenty years old. One of them got a bacterial ear infection that turned into a upper respiratory infection. I took him to the vet, they gave him a antibiotic injection, put an antibiotic medication into his ear after cleaning it out. After a couple days he's feeling better, running around but he's sneezing all over the place as everything is loosening up which gave it to my other cat. I took that cat to the same vet but got a different veterinarian. First thing she does when she comes in the room is take a comb and comb the cat's hair then sprays the hair with water. She holds out the paper and says my cat has got flea's. I can understand that as a starting point when looking at what could be wrong as flea can make cats sick as they are carriers of stuff but that didn't seem to be her point so much ripping me for not using something to keep flea's off my cats which I tend to do during the summer months but not so much during the winter. The cat's old, she has long hair and doesn't groom like she use to as I think getting the hair balls is a bit to much for her. I have to groom her a lot during spring and cut any hairs that may start to snarl. Next thing she does is ask if the cat has had a rabies shot. I told her no. She then goes on to tell me all the dangers of not having your pets get a rabies shot. I really wanted to say look the cats like twenty years old, she's never had one and has survived all these years without one but I just said you may be right as if a bat gets in the house she does tend to try and deal with it. Finally she gets around to asking me what's wrong with the cat. I told her she's been laying under a bed sneezing and coughing since Saturday night and this is not like her. I told her the other cat was sick and I think he passed it to her. She said viruses tend to be viral but I pointed out that in the case of my other cat it was bacterial. She listens to the cats heart and lungs and says she doesn't hear anything. She then goes on to say she can do a x ray, blood test, etc., then leaves the room and comes back with a list of expensive stuff I can do ranging from eighty five bucks for a x ray to several hundred dollar costly other items but an antibiotic injection wasn't one of my choices. Though I knew what the cat needed obviously I wasn't getting it, feeling hopeless and pressured by their stares and insinuations of not being a good pet owner I opted to get an xray but I knew it wasn't going to show anything because the cat hadn't been sick long enough, we are talking a day and a half, two at the most given it took a half a day to notice she wasn't out being her usual self. Of course I was right. Then the vet comes back in and high pressure starts trying to sell me flea medication. I told her I buy my flea meds at Menards. She started in on you should never buy stuff from a store that could just be carrying flea meds that don't work. I told her they carry Frontline it's just that it's cheaper there. What she says next I could hardly hold back not wanting to laugh. She said you can't guarantee how long medications sold in stores sits in a warehouse somewhere, in the backroom or how long they've been on a shelf. That's the same exact tactic they taught us in cosmetology school to say to our clients when pushing expensive hair care products. As much as I wanted to say you don't know how stupid you sound to me right now I didn't...because I can tend to get that way when aggravated because all I really needed was for her to give the cat the same shot the other cat got. Then it back onto harping on me to get a rabies shot. I told her I'd consider it but right now I just had to be focused on getting them well right now and the cost associated with that as my other cat had another follow up appointment next week. The cost to take care of that cat exceed the cost of my other cat, it costed me a hundred and thirty three bucks for basically doing less to the cat then my other cat. The next day she's still under the bed sneezing away. I called them back and argued the point that the other cat had a bacterial infection and I was sure she got what the other cat had. I wouldn't probably had been so adamant except she's so old that if this got set in she may not be able to fight it off. Finally they caved and said I could bring in the cat for a shot. That visit drove the total cost to one hundred and seventy seven dollars. Now I was forty four dollars over what the other cat cost. Within two days though she was back to her normal self pestering me to be petted while I blogged. So what's the difference here is one vet could identify the difference between a what bacterial infection was and the need for a antibiotic, the other vet just couldn't see the causation and effect. She was so stupid also asking me questions like what's changed in your house that could get your cat to sneezing, did I get new carpeting, change cat foods, different litter.....how about what changed was I have another sick cat and it's well established cats transmit viruses to other cats. She asked who told me that and I told her I looked it up on the internet up to and including cats can transmit bacterial infections. She then had the gall to say to me do I believe everything the internet has to say.....I told her no but I don't just read one thing I read several articles are you claiming every vet who wrote an article is wrong.....and it's moments like that, when I am highly aggravated that I wanted to add except you but I knew I'd never get the shot....which I should have said since I didn't get it anyway until the next day. Her inept attitude could have cost my cat her life, she was young versus the vet I had days prior but still despite holding a degree in this instance failed her miserably. If I had been her I'd said lets start with giving this cat an injection like the other cat just to be safe, if she doesn't get better we can do x rays and other test, not lets do a meaningless xray and if she doesn't get better...how's the xray going to help her get better? This was so obvious a blind vet could have seen it yet here we are having people like her in charge of making decisions on the health of one's pets. Believe me she knows now as I made it a point to call and tell them she should try listening when someone's trying to tell her the reasoning behind wanting the antibiotic because we were dealing with a bacterial infection here not a viral infection. I told them this was in no way a reflection upon the other vet, I felt the other cat got exceptional care but I had to speak out because she could have killed my other cat considering how old she was. They defended her actions though and even told me I couldn't come there anymore but you better believe that young vet learned something that day and moving forward I hope I had enough influence in the process for her to step back and learn from this experience which if she did is worth way more if I save another pets life than the inconvenience of finding another vet. People like her are running all over the place in the world. They go up against the grain of knowledge and barely pass a marking grade. They even have a term for that, being the bottom of the class. It's not like I haven't had some basic knowledge on bacteria, we had to learn and decipher the differences between bacteria's causes and effects when I went to electrology school. When you are going to have your hands all over on and be in someone's face you learn identification of and basic warning signs of infections. I'll tell you it felt pretty good when they harped at me she was a licensed professional and I told them so was I and that I held two not one professional license which was what prompted to remind them just how really stupid she sounded with her warehouse gig. Yeah I don't think she's ever going to forget the day she endangered my cats life. Somethings in life you just don't learn in a classroom. In closing I'd say there's a high probability that many of those internet scientist you won't find them writing articles for the lancet.