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in #money8 years ago

"Should we be ok with this status quo? Is it a zero-sum game and inevitably most people will be at loss (because of their values, approach or situation) and we should be ok with that (putting people at fault for not educating themselves properly and having higher aspirations and being smarter)? "

"Should" is a tricky word, as the question alone is invalid without a set context and the presupposition that there is an agreed upon desired out - i.e. IF a certain desired outcome is to be achieved, then one should take a certain step to achieve it. But without the clearly defined context - and in and of itself, NO. But, people are used to thinking in binary right/wrong. Truth is, there is no right/wrong except for within the boundaries of a given belief system or game with certain rulesets...

Anyone who tried to tell you that you should be ok or not ok with someone is full of bullshit, because they are directly trying to impose their belief system on you. So, I could say yes, we should be ok... but who am I to declare what your belief system should be? It's an override of your body that damages us both and deprives you of the opportunity to think for yourself to discover truth - which continuously evolves.

To a degree, yes - individuals are responsible for not educating themselves and having higher aspirations. Not to say they're "at fault" - because then again, we'd be imposing our beliefs that their state is inferior and flawed relative tou our ideals. And that view that they're responsible for themselves may be partially true in some contexts, though not as an absolute. i.e. pretty much everyone has access to the internet nowadays and can pursue their own path of learning if they really want to better their lives. Though at the same time, not everyone is equipped with the activated intelligence or ambition to direct their time and energy constructively in directions that would generate their preferred outcomes - this might sometimes get blamed on genetics, which is essentially just coding - and if they have no fucking clue how to rewrite some of their coding disabling them from ascending, well, they might be kinda fucked no matter how hard they try. So in that sense, it'd not be their fault - it's nobody's fault, really - just the state of things in evolution, and not something that we might be in a wise position to intervene with in every case.

"What's your take on this? Have you also faced the same disappointment when trying to open the eyes of people, and have them change their practices?"

Earlier years ago, kind of. Though, I was alot more immature then, somewhat self-righteous, wanting to impose my ideals onto others and the world so it/they fit my idealized image.

That saying, "you can lead a horse to water but can't make it drink..." disappointment only comes from unfulfilled expectations, thwarted intentions, or undelivered communications (reference: Landmark Forum). If you're "trying to have people change their practices" - again, it's an override on their bodies. Against the laws of nature. The disappointment there is cuz you're trying to shove water down the horse's throat expecting it to drink because you think it should. If a person wants to change their practices and invites counsel, you might be able to effectively guide them - though hoping they'll change with any sort of attachment is always a losing situation for both, and you'll always end up disappointed because of the expectation itself that they'll live according to your belief system.

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Great answer, thanks for giving me your view and opinion (for me to freely do with whatever I choose to, as you posit). I agree that my disappointment stems from my expectations - had they not been there, it would have left me untouched. I tend to forget this, and will remember moving forward. Our individual belief system coming into play here when it comes to our view about the status quo, in effect has to do with the interplay between our idealistic view of how things could be versus a pragmatic take on reality, and we would be left in pain if we settled on one side of the spectrum, and perhaps even cynicism on the other side. I know I will continue to try to educate and help as many people as possible when it comes to these issues, of course not trying to shovel down their throat what I think they should be doing, yet again a little push out of care atop of a mere friendly recommendation could go a long way.
Thanks again for engaging @rok-sivante. A pleasure hearing your thoughts.