Sorry for not replying sooner! I listened to this episode last week while I was moving manure around the garden in a wheelbarrow :) I really enjoyed this episode! It was fun to hear your conversation about creative spaces. It definitely got me thinking more about my space. I am not the most creative designer when it comes to the home, but I feel lucky that Idyllwild is and can really appreciate the creative touches that she adds to our space. it definitely makes a huge difference in the way we interact with our space. The outdoors program you talked about sounds really worthwhile (forgot the name) for getting more immersed in learning about the ecosystems and how we might interact with it. I actually haven't been backpacking in over a year now and you got me craving it again. Thanks for the great episode and interview.. keep up the great work!