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RE: Slave labor camps in the united states

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But there also exist critics, like Zizek, of those "leftists" that get called "Leftist Fukuyamists" for their upheld Utopian beliefs with Bourgeois Democracy being the means to bring about Socialism. While also that same crop, inclusive of actual revolutionary Communist parties as well, urge new developments of theory in this day and age as to counter Neo Liberal Capitalism.

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However our problem is the fact that the EduSys (Education System) is geared towards making these "Leftist Fukuyamists" for any "nonconforming Liberal" and they get the biggest microphone for the Left post-USSR dissolution. And now since they had failed in providing the dream and the Rightists had seen their opportunity to swoop in for a steal, we are caught in contemporary times of NeoConservatism and refreshed senses of NeoLiberalism.

For the Left that actually is Revolutionary, they got swept to the aside and are know only truly recovering after the constant lies of our contemporary EduSys keeps propagating, but also the secret wars internally in the '60s and '70s to take down any genuine Leftist opposition while also spreading the myth that the USSR's dissolution meant the "End of History" had arrived as Fukuyama had predicted. (Which Fukuyama would take back later.)

Truly now do we see a genuine, and disingenuous, rise of Leftist politics after years of NeoLiberalism and "Leftist Fukuyamists." At the same time, they truly face an uphill battle after their resurrection, a farce to the tragedy the 20th century Left had to face in the turn of the century. So time will tell us if the Revolutionaries can win the battlefield or not. Yet with each contingency retroactively presupposing its necessities reveals to us that we are ever so better than the last day in our struggles to grow and consolidate our ranks. But ever so more do we see the threats beyond our perceptual judgement and our insight ever so more increasing to change our attitudes on actually solving the problems we face today.

I agree that we need an updated theory. In my view Democratic Centralizism creates a situation where the party will be prone to splits.

In my city, the psl has a strong presents in the protest movement. Which, ironically, the psl come from a split in the WWP and the WWP is a split from SWP.

History has shown that this is the case.

Democratic Centralizisms rejection of factionalism naturally leads here, but the organizational principles of the DSA is too open for subversion from police infiltration.

Some new synthesis is needed in organizational principles.

The only way we will get anywhere election wise would be to unify the parties.

If I recall correctly, Marx said one of the few place socialism could come about through elections is the United States, but the ruling class has seen to crushing any hope of that.

So what's left?

Well, we need, desperately a United front.

That won't be the end, but it might be one of the means.

DemCon doesn’t have an inherent characteristic to split, since it doesn’t get established ‘til the revolution comes about. The best yah got in organizational standards is a highly developed vanguard that is ready to flip itself forward into a party when revolution comes. Regardless, splitting comes about thanks to Trotskyism, entryism (any ideology can pull this off) or, as yah said but should include, factionalism between principled and unprincipled members.

Now unto the “evolutionary” tactics Marx could’ve said. Marx and Engels did made a prediction for the Advanced Industrial Countries, yes, that revolution can happen there. The only time they really mention going to elections would suffice only to local elections and never provincial/state and federal elections. Since locally we can do more than on the state/provincial and federal level. Otherwise, yah can’t elect Socialism into power and Marx and Engels knew that very well. Only Bernsteinian “evolutionary” socialist think otherwise and revise Marx as to convienently fit him in their Programme. (Which I am not surprised they hadn’t read the Gotha Programme.)

And I would agree on a United Front, but all its members being principled at the very least. For we need more principled people than ever before and we need to actively agitate, educate and organize the people. We need to combat the degradation that Capitalist Realism had brought upon the Superstructure and counter it by being at first everything that is an undifferentiated Horror for it.

Don't trots support democratic centralism?

I've literally read nothing the man ever wrote, but I have had conversations with a few of them and they always tell me that they are Leninists. Maybe, I'm wrong,all the information I've gotten is second hand.

Anyway, Bookchin postulated something similar, with his concept of the libertarian municipality. What Bookchin thought, was that we need to forget about the nation arena(at least for now) and focus on gaining power in our local municipalities. Like winning local elections and all that, ironically, this is what eventually lead to his split with anarchism. The anarchists of his day, wouldn't accept that participation is the political bodies is necessary. So he quit the ideology entirely.

What bookchin thinks we should do, is not try and fight the state, or capitalism, or whatever else, but instead create parallel systems inside of the old system, in order to eventually replace the old system with.

He goes so far as to postulate creating a new political system, based on local assemblies, in order to redirect political power away from the nation state.

I don't know if that is pragmatic though. That's my growing issue with bookchin, he's utopian, he admits it. That's not what we need right now. Utopian dreams are nice, but if we can't implement a model, what's even the point?

The part of bookchin, which is really important, is that we need to look to the future and not the past, in order to formulate what to do.

So what is being born right now, in terms of leftism?

Well, Bolivia seems to be doing quite well. Colombia, even though Gustavo Petro lost, seems to be moving to the left as well.

Right, and these people are very pragmatic, but also legitimate(in my view anyway) in their socialism.

We need a pragmatic, authentic, rational, materialistic left. Sanders is a fucking sell out, so we can't look to him or the DSA. We must look to ourselves to provide an answer to this.

There is no vanguard, there is no revolution, there is only us, for better, or for worse.

Trots abandoned and denounced DemCen (Democratic Centralism) as soon Trotsky was voted to be kicked out of the Central Committee. Ever since then, with the multiplicity of Trots, it's hard to tell but most denounce Democratic Centralism. Also yah might hear some Trots say they're Leninists, but they never read the heavy-handed and denouncing letters between Trotsky and Lenin whenever they talked about each other - even post-1917 it just got heavier in volume, not lighter.

I think Bookchin's Libertarian Municipality ideology stems very much from Red Bases and Dual Power while of course having heavy influences from the Anarchist tradition. Is there a need to update Dual Power? Well for the Third World (and Second World?) with their Red Bases and Protracted People's War, they got it situated alright there (Naxalite India, Maoist Filipinos, FARC Columbia and so on and so on). But for the First World (and Second World?), there's a need to commit to actual theory-crafting and find our Dual Power for our day, from either Marxist or Anarchist tradition. And yes, as we question ourselves do we ever more understand the World around us. And as we question the World around us, do we ever more understand ourselves.

Regardless, we should give Critical Support to Third World movements that do go Leftist, like the Venezuelan Government, and others. They know their situation, they can obviously do better, but we have no way to tell if there is a better path for them with how their material conditions are set up. But we shall stand with them where we agree and struggle with them where we disagree. They after all are facing the brunt-end of Imperialism, let all of us leftists overcome that principal contradiction, and then we can talk about where they should go from there.