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RE: Normie Talk - HF21 Explained (SPS + EIP) What it is and what happens next
Why does ... have to get bundled up
Many of us agree with the concept of not bundling in the abstract. There is also the practical consideration of costs of hard forks and not being able to do them very often.
The merits of EIP are discussed elsewhere including by me so I won't rehash that here.
Meh I think the "cost of hard fork" argument is a cop out. In the first year of Steem there were... 17 hard forks? And since then there have been 3? There is no good reason to bundle the economic incentives with the DAO, with the exception of the obvious reason that the economic incentives have much weaker support than the DAO and might not actually be approved on their own. Which to me, is the primary argument for why it shouldn't be bundled. A bunch of half-baked measures with a net effect that is hard to predict (some claim - I don't think it is hard to predict personally, I think it is a loss for all users except the very largest users and bid bot owners) shouldn't be slipped through on the back of something with wide support.
During most of those 17 hard forks (not sure if that is the exact right number, but there were definitely a lot, mostly in the first few months) there were almost no users, no third party apps, either none or one exchange, etc. The situation is completely different now.
I think we need some kind of a forum for these kind of discussions, chat rooms and posts that get buried after a week won't cut it anymore.
Yes as smooth said, there is a forum that has been started. You can find it here - https://neosteem.com/topic-list?category=hf21
I think @thecryptodrive is trying to promote a forum for Steem development discussions. I don't recall the link for it.
@prisminside @smooth, yes that's the idea behind the forum. I am collating what I can from internal discussions to help make them more public, included some timelines and testnet info etc, the link is this https://neosteem.com/topic-list?category=hf21 (sorry it has some bugs on mobile, should be fixed in the coming days)
I tried to comment, but got an error.
Might be my wifi, it's intermittent.
Y'all did a good job on the forum.
Once folks find it we may have our steemit killer.
Thanks @freebornangel
The comment worked fine, just double posted, lucky we have moderation features so fixed that:
Thanks for the praise of the forum, if you like that one check these two out https://forum.splinterlands.io and https://nextcolony.tokenbb.io/ the splinterlands one also pays out in the SPT scotbot token.
Do you have a list of them?
I'm looking for one with local news from the hot spots in the world.
We don't have a forum explorer yet, will come soon after we sorted more crucial stuff. I have a cheat way for you to see what is available, go have a look at this Steem account https://steemit.com/@forums.tokenbb each forum is created as its own post and topics and replies are comments. There should be links back to the tokenbb frontend there too.
I don't recall a forum with your requirement but you are welcome to create one, the freemium one just costs 10 Steem to setup on https://tokenbb.io to prevent spam forum creation. If you want to get fancy with custom domains, themes and tokens you can visit https://shop.buildteam.io/product-category/tokenbb/ for subscription options.
Thanks for that list.
When I get in a position to be responsible I probably will set up my own forum.
Sounds good, look forward to it!
Good to know, I'll use that in future when people ask where these changes are being discussed since right now, it seems these changes were made without any community input for a bit too many people, I think.