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Often debate gets misinterpreted as debate, unfortunately.

It reminds me of that Monty Python sketch.....

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Excellent piece Kenny. The only thing I would add is the issue of scale which humanity faces today and most people within any of these camps seem to ignore this primary concern. This issue is why I suggest a civilizational 'time-out'...Emergency protocols aren't necessarily new but most often implemented when it's too late--War Measures Acts and such. We'll probably get there this century as WW3 is likely inevitable but I make the suggestion nevertheless.
In my Four Pillars of A New Earth Commons premised loosely on Mutualist Golden Rule ethics I suggest four areas which could be altered in an emergency situation: housing, food, education, and healthcare. These areas of human need (basic) should be funded by a new non-debt currency (non-usurious). In essence, it would lead to two juxtaposed civilizations: one a techno Neo-Shire with new homesteading laws and new guilds alongside a Star-Trekkian commercial culture. Likely a Pareto 80/20 world culture with as much choice (voluntaryism) as possible under emergency protocols. The trick would be to make the Commons Shire culture so cool and healthy that most would want to live within the steady-state economic model.
Will we get anything at all like this? NO! Why? Metaphysics! Look to Marcion of Sinope to who rules this place and why things can never be anything than what they are here: Archon rule of the Demiurge. This type of Gnostic view is also why Gnosticism, as mentioned here, is incommensurate​ with any type of capitalist system. I recently had this type of dispute with the OverWatch channel. A Gnostic channel arguing for Ancap...Not at all possible from the Gnostic camp I sit in.

I wanted to mention a fairly significant irony within the Gnostic camp I sit in. Although we view our situation here as entirely bleak we are also, at the same time, some of the most prominent voices for just economics and healthy living systems. This was true of the Cathars, too...

Thank you!

It's funny, I was just recently talking to a friend about how I feel like we need a new technology time-out right now. No more gene editing, weather manipulation, wireless technologies, etc. until we get to the point that there aren't a few people massively gaining from them while everyone else suffers. Is better communications tech a good idea? Yes. Is having governments and mega-corporations (neither of which gives a damn about life, health, freedom) in charge of these things a good idea? Obviously not.

Is your Four Pillars of a New Earth Commons something that's available to read? One of the many things I collect is that kind of foundational principles/guidelines/pillars/constitutions. Always working to synthesize them together more and more :-) Have you ever checked out the channel The Crimson Circle? They've got some really great talks, especially the ones with all three guys (all of whom are channelers), in which they often discuss the idea that humanity is going to effectively divide into 3 races (basically transhuman, ascendant human, and basic human)

Let history guide us in this race. Athens, the first, gives us the brightest example of an absolute democracy, and instantly, Athens itself, offers us the most melancholic example of the extreme weakness of this kind of government. The wisest legislator of Greece did not see his Republic remain ten years, and suffered the humiliation of recognizing the insufficiency of absolute democracy to govern any kind of society, not even the most educated, prudent and limited, because only shines with lightning of freedom. Let us recognize, then, that Solon has disillusioned the world; and he has taught him how difficult it is to lead men by simple laws.

The Republic of Sparta, which seemed a chimerical invention, produced more real effects than the ingenious work of Solon. Glory, moral virtue, and, consequently, national happiness, was the result of the legislation of Lycurgus. Although two kings in one state are two monsters to devour him, Sparta had little to feel from his double throne, while Athens promised herself the most splendid fate, with absolute sovereignty, free election of magistrates, often renewed, soft, wise and political laws. Pisistratus, usurper and tyrant was healthier to Athens than his laws; and Pericles, though also a usurper, was the most useful citizen. The Republic of Thebes had no more life than that of Pelopidas and Epaminondas; because sometimes it is men, not principles, that make up governments. The codes, the systems, the statutes, however wise, are dead works that have little influence on societies: virtuous men, patriotic men, enlightened men constitute the republics!

Simón Bolívar, Address at the Congress of Angostura, February 15, 1819 (translated by me)

For a long time I got tired of studying the different systems, and I understood, that the systems don't have a life of their own, the best of the systems would fail if the society is corrupted. On the other hand, current ideologies, highly materialistic, only serve while sustaining a material state, for example, without industry there can be no capitalism, socialism, or communism in the terms that we know today, it could be said that some of its principles could to be applied in a society without industry, but not the ideology itself. If tomorrow we reach another planet and our resources become infinite, and we get the machines to do our work, it would be foolish to maintain capitalism, in that case, communism would be better, on the other hand, at present, proposing communism would simply be ridiculous .

The ideologies are not those that form society, they are the people and the beliefs and virtues that they have.

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