We agree to disagree, once again. Mystical traditions subdue the ego, because it is a barrier to our development & emptying ourselves to fill up with the Divine. There’s nothing ‘short term’ about visionaries, unless you’re viewing them from the outside, through the limited lens of ego ;) As you see, I feel no need to act as bribed defend of the problematic self. But, we’ve had this exchange before, Tyger, and are going around in circles :p