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RE: If Hitler Had Won
The one who presses the trigger is the one committing the crime. This is true. I just wanted to add that people like Hitler, Bush and Lenin are guilty of creating circumstances under which pressing the trigger is a "normal" or even "good" thing. They all deserve the same sentence, but for different crimes.
Then their voters and supporters and even the voters and supporters of the opponent, and all the obedient and taxpaying people, are guilty for creating the platform (throne) which gave and gives them the possibility for them tho create those circumstances.
Well... I didn't read Hitler's speeches. I don't know what exactly he told people who democratically gave him power. But as far as I know he was a catalyst to nation's feelings at that time, so I guess there is some mass-level guilt to be found there. And as someone once said, civil disobedience was never a problem, it was civil obedience that gave evil the right of way... Or something like that.
I didn't read them either.
But the people today do the same as then, they obey they listen to words.
I don't really get your last sentence maybe because English is not my native language.
Can you tell me if this is what you mean?
And as someone once said, civil disobedience was never a problem, it was THE LACK OF civil obedience that gave evil the right of way...
I.m.o. anyone that follows orders a command or law, has no excuse by saying I was just following "the will of the people" or Hillary or Trump or whoever, there will always be someone who is persuasive or playing the feelings of the masses. Every individual is responsible for the evil stuff they do.
Well I have one last thing...you say: They all deserve the same sentence, but for different crimes.
let's make that; Hitler deserves the same sentence but for a different crime.
What would the accusation be, what crime did he do?
This is the dilemma he did not do something, but saying he is not guilty of anything is to hard for most of us, or me, to admit. Cause I can understand why people got caught up, why people did what they did, and why they wanna shift the blame for allowing the evil that's in all of us manifests in reality.
"You" wanna make "the leaders" responsible for leading you/me in the wrong direction, but it's always you/me that choose to follow words and do the deeds.
English is not my native language either, so... Please let me explain: civil obedience, as opposed to civil disobedience, is what allows evil to exist, especially if it is evil of the state, dressed as good. Hitler was elected and civil obedience allowed him to still have power after he started doing really bad things. Civil disobedience is when humans think for themselves and don't let government order them to go to war, kill other people, etc. Civil obedience is saying "our leaders decided to kill those other guys, so I shall obey".
Now, what is Hitler guilty of? He did not press the trigger after all. And I'm not shifting responsibility, I'm saying that responsibility is... shared, for the lack of better word. There are different things here to consider:
I'll put it here there is no reply button under your last reaction.
Thanks for the explanation I got it.
To give sort of an answer to the question you ask. Are the people brainwashing other people not to be blamed for what they are doing?
Well if they know that they are brainwashing other people (not being brainwashed themselves) and ignore it commanding other people to do evil stuff.. yes. If they didn't know because they where brainwashed themselves......I don't know.
It's hard to talk about guilty or not over things from the past. Even until now people are not aware, they are brainwashed, and the same mechanism is still in place. (maybe I am brainwashed still in certain areas that I don't know of, I always keep that in mind for what it's worth)
I guess we have to take the past as an example to explain to people, how they are still brainwashed, and ask them to maybe please make other choices.
All I can do is explain and ask. If the people that are around me that I know, they know what I mean, but still go on doing their evil stuff. I remove myself.
I've had enough of their authoritarian behavior, group think, and indirect violence.
You say//To a (very) varying degree we're (almost) all guilty. //
That's true
I know I am too paying taxes, and I don't have a say or clue what is exactly bought from that. I'll try to get around paying taxes as much as I can. But sales tax and gasoline tax, etc. looks fairly impossible. We'll see.
Ah, so there is a limit of number of replies to replies :) I see "reply' button here, so... Ok, it seems we're on the same page, thank you for your time and... last thing to mention is that maybe Steemit is a step in the right direction, which is building non-taxable economy? A bit like Open Source Ecology project... There must be a way out.