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RE: Proof of Rape Culture?

in #politics7 years ago

Extreme paranoia is a debilitating mental illness. It far better explains that persons writings. Indoctrination into cult like belief systems can also paint a tribalistic picture as well. Extreme paranoia, plus tribalism equals patriarchy.

That is the real issue with all of this.

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Extreme paranoia is a debilitating mental illness

No, it's usually a symptom of one.

Extreme paranoia, plus tribalism equals patriarchy.

But what about when the paranoia isn't extreme? Or, when you decide if it's extreme or legitimate? Is it paranoid of me to always keep my eye on my drink at a bar to ensure no one slips me anything? Or is that healthy paranoia, based on unpleasant experiences?

Patriarchy has nothing to do with this. Not sure about tribalism, or what cult you're talking about.

No, it's usually a symptom of one.

If you are afraid every second of your life that you are in constant danger. You are suffering from extreme paranoia. If you cant park your car or go to a movie without thinking your life is in danger. That is extremely debilitating.

But what about when the paranoia isn't extreme?

That letter explains a horrific alternate reality where she can be basically skinned alive at a moments notice. She is trapped in a kind of hell. She is sick.

Is it paranoid of me to always keep my eye on my drink at a bar to ensure no one slips me anything?

That's just common sense. I do the same as a guy. People are assholes. Don't trust strangers either.

Patriarchy has nothing to do with this. Not sure about tribalism, or what cult you're talking about.

This entire argument is contingent on feminist dogma. Patriarchy is the reason rape culture exists.

If you are afraid every second of your life that you are in constant danger. You are suffering from extreme paranoia. If you cant park your car or go to a movie without thinking your life is in danger. That is extremely debilitating.

No shit. Ever heard of post trauma? Ever seen a soldier have a panic attack at the drawing of a gun? If you are afraid every second of your life, odds are you suffer from some form of post trauma and need help. You are not sick, you are ill. Your brain is physically damaged by psychological trauma. There are actual changes in white matter mass as a result of extreme emotional trauma. Basically, my rapist gave me brain damage, the asshole.

This entire argument is contingent on feminist dogma.

I am not very versed in said feminist dogma. Which is why I explain my use of words and phrases. To ensure they are not misinterpreted due to some preconception. I have my own dogma. :)

Patriarchy is the reason rape culture exists.

That's a whole other argument I am too tired to have. Patriarchy is a social order system in which males have higher social status than females. Does this perpetuate the normalization of sexual aggressiveness toward non-makes (females / women / genderqueer people)? Perhaps, but it is not the only thing, IMHO.

No shit. Ever heard of post trauma? Ever seen a soldier have a panic attack at the drawing of a gun?

Its a pretty debilitating sickness. sorry

That doesn't mean your paranoia is justified. It means you are suffering from trauma.

Patriarchy is a social order system in which males have higher social status than females.

Which in turn makes it possible for men to perpetuate rape culture without consequences. It really is the cornerstone of the entire belief structure. Feminism is quite literally the fight against patriarchy. Well it is now.

It used to be about equality, now its just a supremacist hate group no different from any other group. The strategy that most supremacist hate groups is to paint a picture that "All of us are traumatized victims like soldiers in combat!" to thus claim that violence is justified against your attackers. Its how the neo Nazi's and feminists / ANTIFA function on a basic level.

Once you can prove you are traumatized enough then violence is nothing more than an act of self defense. Its political posturing.

That doesn't mean your paranoia is justified. It means you are suffering from trauma.

It doesn't matter if it's justified. Brain doesn't work like that. I was raped at gunpoint at age 15. I still need to keep my shit together by force when someone with a handgun passes me on the street. It's irrational, but my brain does a thing. I am lucky to have developed an irrational fear of handguns. Other women are not as fortunate and develop a fear of men following similar trauma.

It used to be about equality, now its just a supremacist hate group no different from any other group.

Not a group. An ideology. That, like many good ideologies, has been twisted by radicals and shouted loudly enough to create the illusion all feminists are man-hating cunts. We're not. Do not confuse sexism with feminism.

Once you can prove you are traumatized enough then violence is nothing more than an act of self defense. Its political posturing.

That shouldn't be. Nothing justifies violence. And there's no "traumatized enough". There's no trauma badge that gives me perks as a rape survivor and there's no competition here. There's no proof of trauma blockchain token.

I agree with you on each point outside of one thing. The girl who wrote that note did it with a vindictive tone. There is a point when its too far in the direction of lumping all people with a similar attribute together only to say "they are all the same, and they are evil" That's when it goes from saying "this is how I feel and I understand its irrational" to "Be warned my comrades in arms"

At that point its just something a guy like TJ can make fun of, and he did.

Someone who understands that it is trauma is on a completely different tier in this case. You are not even close to the person TJ made fun of.

The girl who wrote that note did it with a vindictive tone

That's a matter of perspective. We don't know her. We don't know what she's been through. All we know is that she either lives in hell, constant afraid for her life, or she feels the need to spew random radfem ideals to feel belonging to a group. Vindictive? I didn't get that from her text.

There is a point when its too far in the direction of lumping all people with a similar attribute together only to say "they are all the same, and they are evil"

Remember that the next time you lump all feminists into a "supremacist hate group". :)

I don't know if I'd make fun of her. But that's because I am, in a way, "closer" to her than I am to TJ. From my perspective, she is suffering and miserable and needs help and support. Making fun of her feels a little like making fun on a person in a wheelchair standing in the middle of a square screaming "I can't walk!!!!". And it doesn't matter if she put herself in it. She's ill and living in hell and my heart goes out to her. No one deserves to live like that. No one.

That's a matter of perspective.

That's an extremely dangerous mindset by the way. Moral relativism yada yada.

We don't know what she's been through.

I don't care either. I just know from a non relativistic standpoint she doesn't fit in society. And she is definitely not the kind of person worth much time.

Remember that the next time you lump all feminists into a "supremacist hate group". :)

I am not lumping anyone into any groups. I am explaining the flaws of well known and established ideologies. To me, its very hard to see a difference between different forms of extremism.

I don't know if I'd make fun of her.

I think its important for society to start being more honest and just completely blow people like this out. I am 100% done with caring anymore about peoples feelings or extravagant extremist ideologies. Its dangerous and wasteful. Its also more damaging for her. If everyone races to coddle her when she behaves that way it will teach her that she can get what she wants from behaving that way.

Yeah I am done with that kind of crap personally. We need to be less agreeable and more abrupt with each other. We need to be blunt and we need to start doing it now.