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RE: Housing Industry Association Says Housing Supply Stuck, Boost Mass Immigration!

in #property7 years ago (edited)

Dude, I love the way you talk.

Unfortunately, I haven't seen shit in my life as far as the unfairness out there goes and I have never seen or experienced the aftermath of communism/socialism.

So I'll stick to capitalism as a topic that I know and understand.

It works, not because it abuses those who fail to take on the challenges and responsibilities of their own failures, but because it rewards effort and results.

All the rest is pure and utter BS.

PS. Maybe I have seen bits and pieces of this world where the shit hit the fan and they all blame everyone else for it. But that is irrelevant in a conversation with someone who has seen it all.

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I have experienced the aftermath of communism/socialism and I definitely prefer things as they are now.

I don't miss this "socialism & peoples republic" crap even a tiny little bit even that what we had over here was quite liberal version thereof.

All this "socialism" doesn't work at all and we were used to say that socialism is just a longer and very bumpy road back to capitalism.

There was also another saying: socialism is like a cheap toilet paper - long, grey and only good for wiping your ass (pardon my French) 😉

I agree overall but I think we have to be careful with titles. There are elements of socialism that work quite in society (healthcare in many European countries and Canada and Australia), the social services system including things like social security, early childhood development programs, drug abuse programs, even government financial assistance for innovative businesses that guys like Elon Musk benefit from greatly. These are all socialist schemes. But when it is all socialism and the government gets in the middle of everyone's business it always goes bad.

Again, I am a capitalist but I am really concerned that capitalism today is creating a bubble. capitalism has to be fed and it's favorite food is suppressing people. Look at how France still treats many of its territories like colonies. They take billions from these places yet does next to nothing to build up these economies because in building them up these places would take their freedom and end the money grab. I am not singling France out, only the mentality.

In my humble opinion capitalism has to be restrained. The markets are too easily manipulated and there are too many bad people or people who simply do not care to say that everything will just work out. History has shown it will not. And not everyone is equal. In any system there will be those who prosper in such a disproportionate way, that it threatens the system. I think we are almost there now. In the US today the top 10% income earners take home 50% of al the income generated in the country. and the top 1% take home 20% of the income. The top 1/10 financially own more than the bottom 75 %. This is not only a US phenomenon by the way. Globally, the 8 richest people own more than 50% of the world's population.

Now I am not trying to count anyone's money, but imagine the influence this small group has over markets and governments. We, the average people cannot get represented and the needs and agendas of the people are never met. So I say that the same conditions you talk about for communism are here for most during capitalism.

What is the solution. It is complicated but has to take into account intervention that works on this issue. By the way, this is not jsut an issue for those who are not in the top 10%. They should be worried too. Because when the power cannot eat they attack the rich. Think of the story of Marie Antoinette. So ti is in all our interests to get this right.

Thanks and sorry for the long post.

"So this is in all our interests to get this right."

I agree :-)

I agree and let's do it. Thanks for the chat.

I took it upon myself to travel because I wanted to see not just talk about it. I tell people don't listen to me or anyone else, take a trip. But let me be clear I am not anti-capitalism, I made a lot of money in the US, but I am a realist. You want what you have, someone will have to do without. And so any ideas of fixing up the rest of the world will not happen. i.e. welcome to continued immigration and understanding why it will not stop. The only way things will change is how they have historically, those who have less will get tired of it and take from those who have a lot. So it has been and so it will continue to be as long as we don't learn these lessons. Thanks and God bless.

OK. I suggest you go write a book on the topic.

Unfortunately no time but if I had some time I just might. thanks.