Muting the better downvoting?
If someone in our middle misbehaves we put him into prison.
In some areas society even has the right to kill an individual.
I dont want to discuss the non sense or sense of this here I would rather discuss how this applies to steemit.
We have 2 weapons to fight spam and plagiarism
I am using both a bit to less but I started to utilize muting way more.
While a downvote is more a slap on the fingers as the person can come back and try another time, muting is like a personal death sentence.
It is a bit like putting someone in prison or throwing someone out of my house, unless he creates a new account I will not hear from that person again.
I dont see any posts or comments anymore. Out of my house, out of my life.
I want to focus on the positive things in life as well as on steemit and so I dont want to waste precious voting power on this spammers, I rather upvote a post which is worth upvoting.
As @theaustrianguy pointed out in a comment yesterday
"It may sound weird - but I think more "spammers" are a positive sign as well - This means the platform gets more and more attention and more users. Of course this also involves users from poorer countries.
And if those users now they can't produce anything at least a little bit meaningful, they just try spamming. And hey, it might even work for them. One 1% from a whale per day is easily more than the current averge monthly earnings in many, many countries around the world."
I see it similar spamming is a annoying but positive sign as it shows there is interest and something valuable enough to try to get through spamming.
Andreas Antonopoulos said in one of his speeches to have scaling issues we first need enough interest that there is something to scale.
Imagine yourself as a circle on steemit and the more relationships you build here the more you overlap with other circles (steemians). You grow your network. You meet friends of friends and grow, maybe slowly but surely and this will also show on the engagement of your posts.
The usual spammer doesnt have this effect. When I am taking a look into their account they usually pretty lonely in the steemitworld.
I am very interested in your 2 cents about this topic.
I’m gonna starting using the mute button now . For a couple days now I have been downvotinv but it’s not really. Hanging how people act and I’m not sure if it will change...
I dont think it will change but that is probably part of the "game"
It’s a basic incentive. People will keep doing the thing that gives them the largest reward, with minimal effort, and without getting punished. It’s the same thing with corruption and scams. As long as they are allowed to continue and make a profit larger than the salary of a legal business, people will keep on doing it.
I read the post you were commenting on and your response caught my eye. So true what you say. Challenge: how does Steemit address this? I imagined in my childish way that everyone upvoted as I did because they either enjoyed, got something out of, or at least appreciated the post. Then I learnt of Bots. Surely the people who make bots could do it better? Thanks for this.
I assume you mean you've read my topic about incentives?
No I haven't read your topic on incentives. I looked at your page, you're quite opinionated so I wanted to see what I agreed with (or not) and in the main I think you have a fairly balanced viewpoint, still trying to work out what era you really emerged from. I'm too old to worry about the meme's thing, but pick up on it now and then. Are you interested in foreign film? I see you must have a liking for or interest in Japanese cartoon films. I would like to know if you saw the Red Turtle. Meme's as such are beyond my thought process. Where may I read your topic about incentives?
I grew up in the 80s. I didn't watch the Red Trutle. Here is the topic.
https://steemit.com/life/@thatanimesnob/how-incentives-work
Well you're really smart that's for sure. I get it now, anime being the Manga style/Japanese style cartoons, is that right? My husband is a great fan and as a graphic designer and artist, thinks some of the artwork brilliant. That said, I grew up in the '40s and 50s so that makes me ancient. Not so ancient that I don't understand blockchain and cryptocurrency etc. I could write a book about my attempts at getting on certain sites so that when I want to move some funds later on, I can do so and get some small income. Blighted at every turn so far. Now, you mention Greece. I was there in through the 1970's and 80's and a bit beyond. I used to write and travel. I learned a lot and absolutely love Greece and the Greeks. Indeed my daughter and two grandchildren also all speak Greek (my grandkids gave up a lot of Saturday's to attend Greek school in the mornings) but my son-in-law doesn't speak Greek, he just shakes his head and says a few words. They love him in Greece by the way, even though he makes little effort but he is very amiable. Enough said. Your topic was totally educational and from what I see you don't like the way things happen on Steemit that are unfair, because that's what they are. You have to keep on doing your thing and I am certain it will earn you lots in the long run, we are not on this for the short term. I am following to see how you go. Adio. Happy Steeming!
cheers
What do you think of my recent topic about crypto? (it's on my blog)
I appreciated your post a lot. I spoke to someone yesterday whom I know had bought some Bitcoin as a way of perhaps later diversifying and who was watching the markets. He said that the market collapsed on Monday and Bitcoin lost a lot, but he said cryptocurrency is the future and that governments were investing in it too, despite calls for regulation. Anyway it bounced right back. I finally sent some Steem to a website, I won't say which one, because it's new to me and I spent ages just trying to get the security right, now I have no idea what I have, what it's worth. I'll let you know if it's just a load of rubbish or it works. I may just as well left my Steem where it was and powered up! Anyway, all you state is true and when you finally stated that "if you don't pay money, you didn't lose money. It only means you make a lot less than expected." that's exactly how many who joined Steemit last year, including myself, I'm sure had felt. I am still enjoying Steemit because we can have conversations randomly such as this, and because there is good stuff out there. I like the idea of a community and for the values it says it likes to promote, but unfortunately, like life, there is the good and the bad. I resteemed as more people should read this. Thank you
Love my mute button :-)
I like the idea, that more spammers on steemit means, that there is more attention...and I think, muting is more powerful than flagging because it doesn't cost you steempower which you can use to upvote something positive.
A little bit of a harsh, a discipline to moderate things, not rushing to avoid errors over and over again and again.
You're doing perfectly right @flipstar!
Man its internet & social networking where you find spammers & scammers on your way .But its hard to find the spammers among community ,which is a main cause of letting them to spam .
Well, downvoting is a clear sign of two things, one is that you dont like the person or you down like the content that he published. It could also mean attacking him. In every culture, it may have different meaning like shutting him up as like muting them so to speak.
But I come to think of this that each person and individual has different level of knowledge or skills in terms of writing/ blogging. And because Steemit is a social media, we cannot really tell someone to shut up or stop spamming. Some people who do posting, sometime they dont realize that they are making spams by the way they post, though some are actually intentionally do it. Some people who are less fortunate and less educated are actually reaching out by social media and sometimes we interpret these as spamming. Well, it is difficult to shut somebody when they think of themselves as in the right position in a social media space. Even one of them really make noise just to be heard.
But of course there is always ways to filter spams and not spams and the dev should help us on this using some kind of smart algoritm.
Still, everyone has the freedom to voice out and get heard especially that steem has always rewards for these people. Money always make sense in everyone's action.
It's hard to find spammers , many spammers are there in internet .
Btw valuable post . @flipstar
need to clean spammers
Upvoted and resteemed.
i agree..it effects the reward pool in one way or the other which will effect the geniune community