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Bottom line from my heart-centered awareness:
We are fractals of the Universe. All things, seen and unseen, arise according to sacred geometry, specific mathematical patterns, and can be defined by frequency and vibration.

While it is ONE Universe, the fractal emergence ensures that no two parts are identical. The Universe, of which we are a part, is what human beings have long called "god" by many names.

Creation continues in every moment, in every star being born, in every decision we make.

There is no separation between me and you, the land and sky - it is one system, interrelated to such a degree that everything is intrinsically realted to everything else.

It is ALL "god" - but not in the sense we have been taught by various religious dogmas to believe.

acarya π
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Quran was revealed, 1400 yr ago, and contains a lot of facts, science have only started to discover this facts, a decade or two, and some only in the 20 and 21 century, but yet all of this was in the Quran, 1400 yrs ago, do ur own research, knowledge is power.

I would say both of you need to take a step back and think about what you're saying.

Both of you are talking about quite esoteric stuff. Religious cults and pseudo-science non-sense. Be skeptical.

ALL religious books have some of the answers, but nearly all also have some form of secrecy to the rest of the knowledge and secret sects and societies within the structure of that particular religion.

I am a scientific minded inquirer who recognizes that science has a lot to work on in the realm of unseen phenomena that too many of us have experienced to leave to religions to explain.

Until then, in my mind and heart-centered awareness, it is all "GOD."

That's good that u believe in science, like I said science, looks for answers, and we have been encouraged, to ask questions and seek knowledge in Islam, there are no secret in Islam, one Quran, never changed for 1400yr and contains a lot of facts, scientificly, proven by evidence. go and do ur own research, I will tell u what the government don't want u to know, how many doctors and scientists are converting to Islam not to mention, Christians, atheist, people from different faith, and believes, are all converting to Islam, and that is the main reasons government and many hate groups are hating Islam, the world biggest and fastest growing religion. go and search the the facts for it self.

Search under science and Islam and s compare the facts.

I have read sources or books from the following perspectives:
Christianity (lutheran, UCC), Judaism, Wicca, Witta, Norse/Greek/Roman mythologies, Taoism, Shintoism, Tibetan/Mahayana/Zen Buddhism, Indigenous and shamanic traditions, Gnosis, various new age perspectives, as well as astrophysics and quantum physics and all natural sciences.

Why you insist on a certain path has to do with the beliefs you were given or offered by your parents and society at large...

Look bigger?

acarya π

You are certainly more diversely well-read than me. I have indeed been biased by my upbringing and only know something about half as many systems as you do.

But that's not how I arrived at where I am. I did not go through every belief system picking and choosing which ideas personally appealed to me.

When I grew old enough to question why I believed what I believed, it was all about evaluating the credibility of the historical record I was studying.

  • Once I learned that is was by far the most well preserved, long running, and comprehensive history on the planet and
  • I found the authors of that history to be credible, I realized that
  • There really was a Person named Jesus who did and said incredible things.
  • All of them told me that Jesus really was God in human form and therefore His words were authoritative.
  • Therefore, I didn't go looking for other human-generated belief systems.

Now, if any of the other belief systems you mention can make it through such a credibility establishing process, I would be obligated to study them in detail too. Any that survived that filter would have to be compared and, if they contradicted each other, one would have to be selected over the others as the most likely historical testimony of what God has communicated to man.

So far, I've found nothing that compares to the pedigree of Christianity. Can you point to any others in the same league at all?

@stan: Had you grown up in Tibet, you would have come to the same conclusions about Tibetan Buddhism. Had you grown up in an indigenous culture, chances are, their wisdom would have made the most sense. Had you been taught the Yogic Philosophy and Ayurveda health and wellness system, you would probably be a yogi. In this same thread I had someone else tell me about Islam going back 1400 years and being very on target with our sciences...
When we step outside what we have been taught, we real-eyes that ALL the religions contain truths... But each path contradicts itself in its own sutras, verses, dogma.

Once this is comprehended, the only thing left to do is compare notes among what you have studied, study some more, and seek in your own heart for confirmation of truths, while letting the hate, contradictions, unlawful dogmatic laws and beliefs, and dissonant aspects fall away...

Observation of the processes and relationships of the natural world cannot be overlooked as a source of knowledge and wisdom...

One real-eyeses that one is an integral part of the Universe, as is everyone else, making us ALL ONE, independent of what we believe.

Ultimate ONENESS is the foundation of the truth of our being. We are the Universe in constant motion.

acarya π