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RE: Proving Evolution
Because if you ever took biology classes, you would understand that isn't the way heritable traits function. If you were born fat, work out your whole life till your buff.... your kids are still gonna be born fat. I don't really need to look up evidence because I know it exists......... but I don't believe there are any proven ideologies or research studies that prove that parents are able to consciously inflict change on their genetics that is expressed in the offsprings genes.
I'm suggesting there has also never been any reputable evidence of this effect either, not just that it can never happen. When I say that I mean multiple reproducible results with large groups.
"if you ever took biology classes, you would understand that isn't the way heritable traits function"
you are referring to a pattern of thought that exists in classrooms, but that itself is not the be all and end all of the subject. science is a journey and must always remain open to evolution itself - i do not find it a random occurrence that those who limit the possibilities of evolution often also limit the possibilities of the science they hold so dear.
"If you were born fat, work out your whole life till your buff.... your kids are still gonna be born fat."
there may be metabolic parameters involved which you as an individual do not affect as you grow and thus your children continue the imbalance that you also began with - however, again, where is the proof that it is impossible for such actions on the part of the parent can never yield a change in the offspring?
"I don't really need to look up evidence because I know it exists"
then we are not really dealing with science here at all, but only with unsubstantiated propositions.
" I don't believe there are any theologies or research studies that prove that parents are able to consciously inflict change on their genetics that is expressed in the offsprings genes. "
since most people have no concept of consciously doing that it is not surprising that there is not much research done. as far as theology goes though, i can assure you that there are direct teachings from the broader consciousness that some have called 'god' which point in exactly that direction.
"I'm suggesting there has also never been any reputable evidence of this effect either,"
there are billions of souls incarnating as humans and none of us has all the information from all of us.
Hey man, sorry but there's no way I can go anywhere with this comment. Exactly what I said would happen, I provide science and links and you somehow dismiss them. "where is you proof".... WHERE is YOUR proof. I don't understand how people can just blindly dismiss "classroom science".
Obviously Scientific fields and study are lost on you... There is a difference between leaving room for a field to grow, and asserting ideologies (idk why i said theologies cause thats about religion) that have already been dissproven decades earlier.
I'm not going to sit here and listen to this advocation for a completely ridiculous and misconstrued version of evolution, that has never been recorded or demonstrated in study. When that happens, and YOU have some proof, maybe we can talk again.
you didn't provide any science against which to comment.
you didn't provide any science at all?
my previous comment was partially made in response to this thread, where you asserted that you didn't need to look up evidence because you know it exists. that is missing the point.
"Obviously Scientific fields and study are lost on you..."
no, actually i have a science degree from the top university in my field. it is common for people to make assumptions about what i say because i think differently to the mainstream and the assumptions usually claim that i am ignorant, without taking enough time to find if actually it is just that i think differently and that actually what i am saying is valid.
fyi, i have had such conversations probably close to 100 times in the last couple of years and my position has not changed - not because i am stubborn, but because i know what i am saying is valid. it will take me some time to spell it out more clearly here.
Honestly, if that's the case, then I respect you for staying true to your opinions. And I'm sorry, obviously to me and many others what you advocate doesn't seem like it coincides with modern scientific opinion, so it strikes me as odd.
I definitely wouldn't pin you as ignorant, but from my point of view there isn't any 'valid' reasons to claim the evolutionary model that you're suggesting. I think I have definitely taking adequate time in analyzing your viewpoint, and understanding the defenses for your claims, but we will likely remain at this standstill of opinions.
I DID provide links though to Lamarckism, Mendellian Inheritance and the Weismann Experiment. The first two being a unfunctional than functional model of inheritance, with the later being a method to discredit and disprove Lamarckism. You talked about 1 dude; hof; who has never been considered a scientist, or a valuable consideration in understanding the theory of evolution...... How does this not constitute proof? When you apparently don't even need links like this to support your ideas..
i did not see your comment in the other sub-thread with the links you posted - i will read that comment now and reply there.
""since most people have no concept of consciously doing that it is not surprising that there is not much research done."
How is THAT true? People have been reaching enlightenment for literally centuries, and attempting to attribute supernatural abilities to spiritual capability. However in all of scientific progress we've come through since then conciousness has never been empiracally proven to effect the gene pool. That is, it has never been demonstrated to change the gene pool of a species population. It has only ever shown effect in the individual, which as I explained early, does not contribute to evolution of the species itself. There are no speciation mechanism that have ever been detailed that constitute a species changing their own genetics through conscious manipulation passed down to offspring. You're essentially argueing the world is flat, I'm giving you the information that proves it's round, and you continually defy the notion.