Anyone here that actually believes communism/socialism is a sustainable ideology?
I am actually curious about this. I look at organisations such as Antifa, and see a bunch of their members support communism, Anarcho-communism to be exact. (Which is retarded because it's an oxymoron) or just socialism in general.
I have not, however, been able to engage such persons in conversation. Which is why I ask you, any communists or socialists that lurk Steem, why do you think your ideology is sustainable when time and time again it has failed?
"that lurk Steem" Actually I'm pretty open about it.
It has actually worked many times before
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/peter-gelderloos-anarchy-works
This has many examples of anarchist forms of communism existing, as the most common form of anarchy is communism.
"Which is retarded because it's an oxymoron"
uhhhhh
m8
Communism is a stateless classless society the "communist state" was supposed to be used as a transition to real communism because it would take high development of the means of production to get to that point (which russia did actually do). Today we could go straight to the end result.
Communism has 150 years of smear campaigns against it, please read communist works when learning about communism.
other than a kibbutz in isreal, these are the best examples of communism out there over the years so in a nut shell it does not work.
Communism is a system of government where all the property is public and the government owns and controls the manufacturing and transportation industries. People share equally from the benefits of labor and they receive the things they need from the government.
Communism in Current Times
The advent of modern day communism started during the Russian Civil War (1918-1922) when the Bolsheviks pulled all productive property such as factories, mines and railroads under government control. Russia and the Bolsheviks are part of history; but, communism lives on in many countries.
Communist Structure and Activities
In Cuba the hospitals, medical professionals, medicines and medical supplies are all under the control of the Cuban government.
In North Korea the farmland, workers and food distribution are all under the control of the North Korean government.
In China in the 1950s, Mao developed the "Great Leap Forward" which pushed farmers into communes, took their land and forced them into slave labor.
In China today the government controls a highly successful manufacturing industry which generates profits for the government through the export of electronics, toys and other consumer goods.
Communist Countries
China - Mao Zedong took control in China in 1949 and named China the People's Republic of China. At that point it became a communist country and is ruled by the Communist Party of China.
Cuba - Fidel Castro took over the government of Cuba with the revolution in 1959. It became totally communistic by 1961, is ruled by the Communist Party of Cuba and became close to the Soviet Union after 1961.
Laos - Laos has been communistic since 1975 and its official name is the Lao People's Democratic Republic. The revolution in 1975 was supported by Vietnam and the Soviet Union. Laos is ruled by the Lao People's Revolutionary Party.
North Korea - During World War II, Korea was taken over by the Japanese and after the war, it was divided into Soviet North Korea and American South Korea. In 1948, North Korea became a communist country.
Vietnam - After the First Indochina War, Vietnam was divided. North Vietnam became communistic and South Vietnam became democratic. North Vietnam was supported by the Soviet Union and South Vietnam was supported by the United States. The two were unified in 1976 and it is now a communistic country, ruled by the Communist Party of Vietnam.
or 150 years of attempts without much if any success.
Communism is a system of government where all the property is public and the government owns and controls the manufacturing and transportation industries. People share equally from the benefits of labor and they receive the things they need from the government.
Communism in Current Times
The advent of modern day communism started during the Russian Civil War (1918-1922) when the Bolsheviks pulled all productive property such as factories, mines and railroads under government control. Russia and the Bolsheviks are part of history; but, communism lives on in many countries.
Communist Structure and Activities
In Cuba the hospitals, medical professionals, medicines and medical supplies are all under the control of the Cuban government.
In North Korea the farmland, workers and food distribution are all under the control of the North Korean government.
In China in the 1950s, Mao developed the "Great Leap Forward" which pushed farmers into communes, took their land and forced them into slave labor.
In China today the government controls a highly successful manufacturing industry which generates profits for the government through the export of electronics, toys and other consumer goods.
Communist Countries
China - Mao Zedong took control in China in 1949 and named China the People's Republic of China. At that point it became a communist country and is ruled by the Communist Party of China.
Cuba - Fidel Castro took over the government of Cuba with the revolution in 1959. It became totally communistic by 1961, is ruled by the Communist Party of Cuba and became close to the Soviet Union after 1961.
Laos - Laos has been communistic since 1975 and its official name is the Lao People's Democratic Republic. The revolution in 1975 was supported by Vietnam and the Soviet Union. Laos is ruled by the Lao People's Revolutionary Party.
North Korea - During World War II, Korea was taken over by the Japanese and after the war, it was divided into Soviet North Korea and American South Korea. In 1948, North Korea became a communist country.
Vietnam - After the First Indochina War, Vietnam was divided. North Vietnam became communistic and South Vietnam became democratic. North Vietnam was supported by the Soviet Union and South Vietnam was supported by the United States. The two were unified in 1976 and it is now a communistic country, ruled by the Communist Party of Vietnam.
can you even define communism
hint: its a stateless classless society and dictatorships used the idea of the ultimate goal (communism) to motivate the workers to accept the dictatorship.
SU was the only one to even come close out of your examples
there is truly only one or two examples of "communism" in the world, and they worked for quite a while i actually think that there is still one kibbutz left in isreal. but there absolutely dependent on a very small population. is it sustainable on a micro level sure , on a macro level nope.
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/peter-gelderloos-anarchy-works
wrong tho
did you even read this yet?
also my examples had multiple examples of it working extremely well
I knew this would steer some shit.
I'm open to discussions if they are kept on here, conscise and interesting.