Clearly, humanity as we know it today, has some issues!
I suggest that the solution IS KNOWABLE but NOT DOABLE. We can envision the alternative to our current existence but nobody REALLY wants to do it.
I think we can agree that SELFISHNESS (in its myriad of manifestations) is the root of the problem. Humans will nearly always do what they believe to be RIGHT where right is defined to be that which is BEST for me and mine. If that single human characteristic were to be eliminated from our gene pool life on Earth would change very dramatically, very quickly. The solution is obvious but humans are powerless to change themselves as a whole. Individuals have had limited success but we have never reached a critical mass for the species.
Is there ANY hope that a majority of humans will totally deny themselves for the well being of the many? Since it has never happened historically is there any indication it will happen? Every religion purports selflessness as a basic tenet (excepting Satanism which is insignificant) and we see how well that goes.
I suggest rule by an extraterrestrial!
I think you sum up the problem very accurately, beautifully actually! Where I disagree is where you seem to think it’s impossible or nearly impossible to solve. I think it’s quite easy if we line up or personal interests with the interests of others. The reason this hasn’t happened on a mass scale is because there are those who have been actively trying to prevent it from happening, through the manipulation of said religions and through manipulation of culture. I’ve seen small communities make a massive, positive impact on their entire cities. I think we are at a turning point in history :-D
I do hope you're right and I'm wrong; if things can ever be that simple.
I'm simply basing my point on historic observations which have never revealed a long term success in these areas. Short term success absolutely, usually 1-2 generations, but after that the selfishness and greed of the third generation, which has been born into the "culture", misses the value and opts for self gratification.
The only three possible options that I see are:
In fact, after we have flushed thousands of years of religious teachings from our understanding, the Christian Bible follows the third approach. No really! Read it carefully for what it's actually saying. Flush the internally inconsistent teachings of Judaism and Christianity and simply read what the texts ACTUALLY say, not what someone SAYS they say.
For example, the Bible says that "GOD" created the Earth. If that is true then God, by definition, MUST be "extra" terrestrial, or not of this Earth. Therefore, The Bible clearly states that God is an extraterrestrial. I'm not implying that God is a big-eyed grey that attacked Roswell. That would be unfounded speculation. Anyway, that's a simple illustration of what I'm talking about.
Sorry, I have to go now. I hear the Inquisition at my door.
hahah is someone on the moon a extraterrestrial, I suggest no rule, because that is what anarchy is about, no hierarchy, sure it takes work and everyone kind of has to do something, its still better than working menial jobs and going over the same old road getting more rugged each day... have you noticed how much human potential is lost?
If you can fix the flaw of human selfishness then anarchy works just fine.
Most all of us are simply slaves of those who hold power. Their job is to keep us appeased. If not our thoughts turn to revolution and rebellion.
well you could say that, but I'd say we are slave to ourselves, if you don't have needs and wants and wishes for someone else to fulfill, then how can anyone control you, I'm not really revolutionary or rebelious I just see bullshit and I want it out, in my mind the problem of connection is the biggest, since people can't really work together, we've kind of lost touch when everyone branched off to specialise, we kind of lost the common ground, now politics is a bunch of schoolkids trashing the playground.
Yes selfishness does contribute to human suffering and we are kind of responsible for what we have ourselves, still if that was a major flaw I'd be surprised, sure it's quite well spread with everyone looking out for their own self interest, I'm still not sure if that is good and evolutionary or stems from a flawed way of life that is no longer grounded.
could you brush past the post that @brentsanders has posted a bit below and tell me what you think, I was about to make a quote but I will leave it off for another time |
Most of us would agree that what @brentsanders outlines in the post you reference is the most desirable "form of governance". A state where freedom is constrained by responsibility and responsibility is afforded by freedom.
For such a state to exist (physically or mentally) a critical mass must be achieved AND sustained. By critical mass I mean that a sufficient number of individuals must commit to the ideal that it becomes self sustaining. Such states have been achieved in small communities but historically have failed to be sustained for a variety of reasons. If either the quality or quantity of "fuel" diminishes the critical mass is lost.
While there is always a risk from within the community of losing critical mass the greater risk is external. We might create the perfect state and be living in bliss until a larger, more powerful group decides we have resources they want. And owing to such selfishness history then repeats, again.
As thrashed in the comments of the referenced post the biggest issue is achieving critical mass on a global scale. If all 7+ billion of us were on board it seems there would be no problem. I don't see critical mass being achieved on THAT scale without external "help"! Maybe I'm lacking in vision for my fellow humans?
I agree I kind of stop at some point and I even thought today it would probably be easier to fix the current "boat" than to build a new one, but who knows, I'd like to trust the fellow humans, but we are also quite limited in out scope of sight, not to mention we like to spend time in our own little box of a world ...
You've read the whole thing before me I couldn't finish the whole comment section but the elaboration there does a great job to outline potential shortcomings, basically what you have given as a example was framed analogously by @rocking-dave
Yes there is that recurring theme in history, trust being broken, alliances backstabbed, whole nations swept under the rug of history
and human greed...