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RE: Unvote @fyrst-witness If you value steemit and transparency

in #steem-politics7 years ago

Hmm, let me try to answer some of your key points, because I believe there must be a misunderstanding somewhere here.

  • The reason I flag @transparencybot is because I see it as a spam bot that give away the same information you can see by clicking on the votes button. It is a leach, even giving a shit upvote to people who do not use upvote bots and ask for support/begging for upvotes and delegation in return for its "service" that nobody has requested.

  • I was against Whaleshares because it uses a different blockchain creating a black market for vote buying/selling. @Booster is an example on how to do it the right way on the steem blockchain, transparent, even giving its own comment on posts it upvote. Would you rather pay people in Bitshares or Bitcoins for upvotes on a discord or telegram chat, is that what you advocating for, black market upvotes? Because that is what it sound to me you do.

  • Asking people to unvote/not vote for @fyrst-witness is your right to free speech, however I think you do not really know me, not updated on what I do, and that may be my fault, I am a pragmatic guy, so sometimes I just do and get things done and find more things to do, so please come as you are anonymous or known to http://steemspeak.com discord, maybe you will enjoy it.

Anyways, I wish you a great day.

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Your credibility as a witness is forever tarnished after first bashing whaleshares just to launch another rewardpool rape.

I happened to trust and support your witnessing prior to it and I disagree that chain sugars the pill. I don't like either anyway.

Downvoting @transparencybot for "spam" is a lame excuse. This spam is rampant everywhere from other vendors. An example @steemitboard. I haven't heard one complaint about it and certainly not from you.

You're double talking, fyrstikken and I reiterate: unvote witnesses that sit on both sides of the table. To be fair, it's not only you, but that is a matter too large for a single blog.

Your credibility as a witness is forever tarnished after first bashing whaleshares just to launch another rewardpool rape.

Why don't you just tell me straight to my face that you want free upvotes for your shitposts and comments? Be honest! You are begging for free upvotes and that is the truth.

I'll tell you straight to your face, I don't want you as witness. That was the agenda. And as a public figure you should take it like a man, not in an ad hominem fashion like this.

I'll tell you straight to your face, I don't want you as witness. That was the agenda.

Congratulations, was it good for you to get out all that anger and frustration?

you should take it like a man

I should take it like a man? wow, you really ending this on a high note.

It's so annoying when people makde such an assumption - you are crying like a baby or, you want my upvote. That sort of weak come back is often a projection they are unwittingly revealing - so, nice catch on the ad hominem remark!!

much respect on posting something like this!

p.s., before anyone makes a claim I am not begging for an upvote ;-) I buy votes, I don't beg for them.

Can you manage to explain how this is "rewardpool rape"?
I know it's a stupid question, since you can't...but I would sure like to see it.

I'll leave that to @fyrstikken. It's his own term, not mine.

What I can do is to explain the underpinnings. Each day the blockchain generates a certain amount of steem power and steem dollars. These are the rewards you compete with other steemers to get as reward. Bid bots change this and it's not necessary to contribute to other steemers to get a reward. You can simply pay for it. This is done to huge pool owners who either has amassed their stake naturally or rent it. Also known as delegation.

This is what I see as reward pool rape. What fyrstikken does is beyond me. But the term stems from him, not me.

It's not raping the pool though....it's the stake that they have.
Are we calling it rape because it can be purchased instead of just giving it away manually....that would be more like prostitution.
There is ZERO rape of the reward pool though.
These bots are designed to run every 2.4 hours, 10 times a day....not abusing the daily votes provided to them at all.

Like I said, it's fyrstikkens own words, not mine. I would have to disagree with you on your simplistic view on bid bots. They are the death to steemit and makes a good idea irrelevant.

The way Whaleshares was set up would have been to join a black market voting club and establish a monopoly, of course I launched Booster and more than that, by choosing a great team player we were able to mass produce boosters so now there are hundreds of upvote bots and resteem bots. The alternative would have been one giant megabot ruled by one guy and a very small community. If you do not understand how free competition works, then please do us both a favor and read up on how markets work. I could not stop whaleshares from existing, but I could make a competitor and for that I feel very accomplished.

https://steembottracker.com/

Have fun, use them, or do not use them, it is voluntary.

Speaking of "club". I think it's high time we shake up the witness club and get in new blood. Who has the platforms and its users best interest and not filling their own pockets. I would even pay them higher to see it happen.

So. You can go play with your booster now. I'm tired of your self-upvoted excuses to game the system that sadly allows it's own guardians to game it.

If the content is that good...someone should be willing to invest in it themselves and find that visibility.
Every great product in the world advertises, plot twist...so do shitty products.
Welcome to reality.
By the way...it's not a view...it's a fact.
That's how the system works, but that is how the majority of the bots operate.
Now, if all this stake was just voting for themselves, or if the bots were voting all the way down to 20% voting power...that would be rape.
That's simply not the case.
If you want to be upset that spammers and shitposters are benefiting from the sale of these votes...that's fine...but even that isn't raping the rewardpool.
Add to that, many of the bots are adapting to blacklisting and whitelisting....such as @therealwolf with @smartsteem, @minnowbooster, @themarkymark with @buildawhale, @yabapmatt with @postpromoter and numerous others.
Seems it's your "view" that is simplistic.

It makes the platform irrelevant for new users. Both readers and creators.

It is "My Opinion" that you are wrong.

It is also "My Opinion" that without the bid bots. There is ZERO reason for anyone to join this platform.

As it stands right now. In order to make any sort of money on the platform. You have to have a whale in your pocket, a la Haejin. Which is something that is out of the question for many new users.

However, now with the bots, new users have the ability to upvote their posts, make some money and gain visibility.

I would also like to point out that mathematically speaking. If someone is bid botting their content. And that content is shit. Then in the long run. They will not make money. No one is gonna follow shit posts or vote for them. Meaning that eventually the problem will solve itself.

If you could come up with a solution that solves the problem I'll be all ears. But until that time the bots are the best thing for the platform. Until whales get up and start helping the minnows gain traction.

With your opinion it is zero reason for me and others to spend time on it.

Well. It's not all a shit show right? There are some good things about this platform. Worth being here to enjoy.

I think that the bid bot issue can be a problem if someone abuses the bots. If someone is making ten posts a day and bid botting all of the posts. Then yeah. That's clearly abuse. There's a problem with that.

But if people make a post or two a day and use bid bots to upvote. Is that really a problem?

What are your thoughts on that?

They are a free exchange between willing parties on a free market. What's the matter, can't compete in a free market?

Meanwhile, transparency bot is redundant, unsolicited spam that adds to blockchain bloat and operational costs for no good reason.

I flag it for the same reason. People like you and I that witness, run various types of the nodes and so forth, have to pay for more ram to support the system because of the increase of unnecessary, unsolicited spam.... you already explained why it's spam. I am just here to bump that reality for passersby.