The ability to downvote already creates a dystopia in which those who have the most money can censor those who don't. And now you want to make that easier?
Every single tiny change made to the blockchain and to the mechanics of Steemit send waves of uncertainty through the economy and in the long run is VERY bad for Steem. Stop tinkering. There's only TWO things Steemit Inc should be focusing on
MIRA
PRESS RELEASES
Do you guys even have a marketing director?
Because curation is censorship.
Gawd where do you guys come from with this nonsense?
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Downvoting is curation?????
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Exactly, downvoting rates things. That's curation. That's also free expression, much like booing and jeering is.
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Soooooo... censorship is "free expression". Got it.
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No, censorship is removing or altering content and or suppressing freedom of expression. There is no "freedom to not be curated to the bottom", capiche. Reviewing something as crap, rating something as zero stars, even if it causes the item to be burried at the bottom of the list if items is not censorship, but freedom of expression.
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Psychologically speaking, negative reinforcement is the least effective means of persuasion. If it were, murder would have ceased when death became the punishment.
People who boo and jeer simply have run out of words.
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the problem is not the opinion. The problem is the power law distribution giving the vote a weight. The vote now represents the stake the person voted holds. Not the intelligence, not logic but only the stake.
And why should the stake leverage your opinion? Why is that beneficial for exploring quality content and making social decisions within the DAO? It isn't. One person -one vote --> equal distribution of the social layer --> counteracting the clustering in the 21 Witness dPOS System = effective decentralisation.
This is exactly would those people don't get. Decentralization is a binary property (either you have a central authority or you dont). Distribution is vanilla. The redundancy comes from a combination of both properties.
when you have a decentralized dPOS System with 21 super-representatives but without equal distribution of power --> you end up with a consortium chain/ a concentrated piece of shit. But they don't get it :)
the inventor of Steem gets it, but what does he know?
That is not true at all.
https://www.psychestudy.com/behavioral/learning-memory/operant-conditioning/reinforcement-punishment/negative-punishment
Furthermore, laws weren't ever intended to prevent crime. Get that nonsense out of here. Punishment is not to prevent but to repremand. Laws are there to punish not to prevent.
It does not matter why you think that people boo and jeer, strawman, all that is important and relevant is that they are free to do so and it never becomes censorship.
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Explain how this is "curation":
No, explain how expressing dislike is censorship. Go.
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A big enough down vote causes the post to be hidden. "Duh"
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Hidden is not censorship, especially when you can easily reveal it and it's the most intriguing item among the rest of the items, conspicuous since no other items have a BUTTON THAT SAYS 'REVEAL'. If you consider that censorship that's fine, no critical thinking, rational individual in my opinion will conclude that the item is censored when nothing is altered and anyone, I mean anyone, can very easily see the item and essentially it's more curiosity peaking than all other items by it's very "censorship".
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Enough targeted downvoting from big enough accounts would cause anyone to leave Steemit. How is that NOT censorship? Go:
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Not me. I welcome it and I'm happy to be the most interesting item, distinguished as "hidden", and completely understand the Streisand Effect which is exactly why I never whined even about the Flag Wars and flags I received. No ammount of booing and jeering is censorship. No ammount of thumbs down, negative reviews is censorship, 8t's actually the opposite, it's freedom of expression.
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p.s. I'm not the one downvoting you. I don't really downvote as I don't see the point in it. And honestly I would rather people could see your side of the conversation so it's actually quite unfortuante that all your comments have been downvoted in this way.
I'm not bothered, the people who have a sense of curiosity will seek out my comments first. I know why I got downvoted, I told @berniesanders to eat a dick twice, once on his own post and once on the steemit blog post about the Keychain being merged into condenser. The point is, ironically, that no one can censor you. There are numerous people who self censor so they don't tag @berniesanders, others who won't even dare to mention him, @berniesanders, but the fact remains that he isn't forcing them, and that censorship isn't someone booing or jeering at you, or someone rating you poorly, or making you comment hidden. I know, I have been censored by numerous people for speaking the truth in the face of their lies on Facebook, I was censored on there by Facebook as well before it was the cool status of rebels the world over. I have no delusion about what censorship is and despite being flagged by @berniesanders with his bots numerous of times, I will still defend his right to jeer and boo, even if I don't agree with it.
I think you should really consider what downvoting is. It's a form of punishment, and punishment is a very, if not the most potent form of negative behavior modification that exists. Yes encouragement and rewards benefit positive behavior, but no ammount of it will curb negative behavior. Downvoting is also the best, most effective way to make people who are primarily here for rewards, to rethink their approach to steem, especially if they are leeching, since such behavior will undermine everyone's rewards given enough time and enough leeching. So downvote, and even threaten to do so, the point of it should only be lost on people like me, who see rewards as a bonus but not a necessity since speaking the truth is my reward.
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Hiring an actual economist might be a good idea too.
testing
@RT-international came, they were not able to make any news out of that extraordinary chance...
I'm not surprised at all.
So it's OK for those who have the most money to reward you by allocating reward shares to your countent and NOT OK to say that it should be less rewarded?
MIRA is already here.
Press releases are not done by blockchain developers so it shouldn't interfere :-)
Steem is censorship resistant. Allocating rewards has nothing to do with censorship.
(with except of some UI solution on some Steem frontends, but again - frontends)
You obviously were not around for the flag wars. You apparently do not know about @Hajin, @Bernesanders or @Grumpycat. You don't know about @LyndsayBowes or @fulltimegeek. Clearly no one cares if a whale gives a large upvote. But YES the story is different when a single individual can take away the votes of hundreds of people with a single click. Wake the fuck up moron.
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No.
It doesn't affect those votes.
Those votes are still there.
It affects reward shares that might or might not be allocated to a given content.
Upvotes are rewarded by curation rewards regardless whether they are "good" or "bad". Downvotes are not rewarded regardless whether they are "good" or "bad". It's unfair but it doesn't going to change. The difference is that we are going to remove (to a small extent) a part of costs to downvotes, so anti-abuse could work without additional cost attached.
PS
What exactly are you trying to achieve by calling me "moron"?
And NO, steemit is NOT censorship resistant:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/cryptoslate.com/steemit-censoring-users-immutable-blockchain-social-media/amp/
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Steem =/= Steemit
And how's that have anything to do with downvotes?
Steemit is the number one portal to Steem. How many witness nodes in the top 19 are under the control of the same developers who work for Steemit, or very close to them? Hmm?
What's your point? That steem is steemit? Or that steem is censored? Because it's irrelevant how popular steemit is or how many witnesses work for steemit.com, top or not, none of that means that steem is steemit, even remotely. Steemit is an interface, nothing more. Steem is what steemit interfaces with. MS Windows is not a computer. Stop the nonsense. You don't have an argument, only nonsensical questions implying some connection that will never manifest or make one into the other. The same for censorship, curation is not censorship.
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Even Facebook removed their thumbs down.
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I don't care about Facebook's thumbs or any other finger. Clicking thumbs there rewards Mark Z. & Co. regardless whether it is up or down. It doesn't allocate parts of rewards pool that are partially yours.
But they still censor. Steem doesn't and never did. You're so lost in the sauce you think that curation is censorship and try to use the most censorship ridden place to have ever existed, as a benchmark for what Steem should do. Get the fuck out of here with your quackery, I think it was you that tried to reason that because murder still happens laws dont work because they are supposedly there to prevent murder, ergo punishment is the least effective way to modify behavior. Quack, no, punishment is the most effective way to modify negative behavior, and once again laws are there as punishment, not as prevention, two entirely different things. The white paper spells it clearly and reasons it impeccably that prevention is not the goal.
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I call you a moron because you can't see something that is clearly in front of you. Have I abused the system by initiating this conversation? Who is downvoting all the comments on this very thread??? not me! Explain why THIS got downvoted:
https://steemit.com/dtube/@lyndsaybowes/z5zm9j1h
Nobody needs to explain why they upvote, no one needs to explain why they downvote. Curation/sorting items in a listed order is not censorship because some items are awarded the very last rung of the list. Who cares that steemit censored some slime bags, good on them. They run the servers, they decide what is in clear violation of their terms and what isn't. When you write your own terms and conditions you do not answer to anyone, and they certainly do not answer to you.
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The only moron here is the one who thinks curation is censorship.
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Boy I sure got your goat. And your number.
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Says the person who doesn't believe in punishment and still calls people morons, not even talking about that the benchmark for what a free speech imbued platform is set by the most censorship plagued "platform", in air quotes because they act much more like a publisher than anything else.
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Go get your vision checked before you go around calling people on their vision.
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doesn't believe in punishment
calls people morons.
Idiot.
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calling you a moron isn't supposed to accomplish anything, I don't believe in scorn or any form of punishment, so I called you a moron for no real reason what so ever
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