RE: HF20 Update: Restoring Continuity
Through the greatest pain comes the greatest growth. But not if the pain is too much to bear. Then all hope is lost.
I totally agree with your suggestion of 100x and then adjust. If the goal and indeed requirement for growth is for people to comment, reply, upvote, and post, then they must be allowed to do this. I don't know enough about the technical requirements here, but I do know people. If the "common folks" cannot afford, or are not allowed to comment and vote at least 10, preferably 20-30 times a day, the platform will die a slow death.
Isn't one of the goals to have more human curation and less bot value? Then allow the human people to comment and vote 30-50 times a day. I personally find it very frustrating being limited to only 10 votes on certain days when there is a lot of good content sliding in between the spam. This is a requirement for the system to grow, we must allow the minnows to interact. Isn't that what has caused the most outrage during this fork? It has been the inability of the general user to interact. Why not implement the "simple" fix as others have called it at 100x, let folks interact, let the userbase grow to support it? If the system cannot handle 100x then maybe 50x, but 10x is far too low and will not solve the problem, only irritate folks more that yet another promise of usability has been violated.
Let's move forward and keep improving this platform!
"If the "common folks" cannot afford, or are not allowed to comment and vote at least 10, preferably 20-30 times a day, the platform will die a slow death."
"If the "common folks" cannot afford, or are not allowed to comment and vote at least 10, preferably 20-30 times a day, the platform will die a slow death."
"If the "common folks" cannot afford, or are not allowed to comment and vote at least 10, preferably 20-30 times a day, the platform will die a slow death."
"If the "common folks" cannot afford, or are not allowed to comment and vote at least 10, preferably 20-30 times a day, the platform will die a slow death."
i would add that even telling people how much they are allowed to comment is a terrible system, one that it is inhumane. But if we must, i would say that 50 comments per day is an absolute must. Anything less than that will kill this platform.
@stellabelle that's my take on it also, getting new blood in steem/steemit with a good retention rate was and is the most important part of growth as is being user friendly. Most people don't understand crypto and telling them "you have to buy steem to do anything" isn't going to force them to buy steem, its going to force them to go elsewhere. This is what happens when you have people running things that are out of touch with the people. We see this all the time in politics. Think simplicity if you want to grow out to the masses. I say roll back to hf19 and re think (talk with the people in steem) how to go forward.
Exactly. Hardfork to remove the obvious psychopathic elements of RC and do extensive user testing before anything is rolled out. Don’t use your community to experiment on in this pathological method. It’s not the colossal fail aspect that is disturbing, it it the complete lack of care that I find so disturbing. Thinking of people as numbers in a cold Dystopian manner is what people will never be able to forget. What is next? This total lack of care about user experience is hard to swallow. Sadder still is how humans are being forced to adapt to such a pathological system and are now being reduced to feeling somehow grateful for being given more than 2 comments per day, as if they were in some kind of social purgatory. This is the fodder for a novel, an incredibly dark one that emerges from a mind that is clearly unstable or malignant.
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crypto Oliver!
I'm glad that Yours, memo*, and Matter exist, all of which use the BCH blockchain, and memo and Matter are ON the blockchain.
*(Yours is currently invite-only, and there are no invite links to share yet.)
There's also Weku, which is similar to steemit, but operates on different specs. And minds; though I'm not fond of it.
I spoke about the whale issue 10 months ago, and the general atmosphere seems to have only continued and gotten worse.
I'm glad there are attractive and usable alternatives in the marketplace of blockchain social networks.
I'm exercizing those options.
On the upside, if steemit content becomes editable, I might end up using steemit more.
Though... why wouldn't I just use Matter or Yours?
I can't figure out the steemit payment system, and I've gotten a good handle on being able to use BCH. Frankly, I'm not sure why I'd use Weku either -- I doubt I'd have much more luck "cashing out" than I have with steemit... but I'm giving it a whirl.
I made this into a post.
I am a new user and I cannot even ask for help. CHAT 3rd party app will not allow me to make an account so that I can ask for help. It probably won't let this POST! HELP!!!!
I have a discord channel, I'll help with what I can. https://discord.gg/ttSAqZW Also you can join https://steem.chat/home. I know for new people it's a bit hard to get started and I know I'm missing some other places If anyone else would like to chime in.
amen
Blockchain is not exempt from human nature!
Oh heavens, only 10 times! Is this true @stellabelle @ksteem? Each morning, part of my routine, is going through at least 30 of my favourites and commenting and voting. You mean I shan't be able to now? What is happening? Oh stuff and bother!
You'd better prioritize my posts then! XD
But seriously, I don't think you'd have such a low limit...
I hope not, but we'll see. Since I'm so old school I just auto vote everyone so sometimes I have to catch back up with people, but do try to then vote up their posts I'm finding late as long as they are within the 7 day. I should probably autovote at some time, but I like to read and then comment and vote. It's like early 2000's blogger blogging, well except we earn crypto instead of silly adsense :)
I agree with these statements, just look at instagram when we have steepshot we will need at least that many interaction options.
We need a way to increase newbie interaction not limit their actions.
On the contrary @stellabelle - this is going to make the "common folks" more discoverable. Their 'training wheels' of 15SP delegation from Steemit Inc should be more than enough for them to get started on the path of gaining their own influence. This is going to create a culture of quality over quantity. Instead of 100's of useless posts and comments filling up the network, it will be much easier to sift through and curate good content. With less bots and spam interacting, it will be easier to find them. It might be a little bit quieter around here, but in a really good way.
I wrote a blog post about it here if you want to read more about my opinion.
nice
As we all move ahead in 'oneness..."Reversing Forward. Future Is History"
I sort of feel the same way. Even as a dolphin this kind of makes me nervous. I understand the logic behind the limitation, but I worry about the repercussions.
none of this is unfortunately possible without adequate testing.
Nothing is exists, percentage of new comers might be a few, ....... Everybody dies in a territory except a whale, having more , what comes to him???.
"Isn't one of the goals to have more human curation and less bot value? Then allow the human people to comment and vote 30-50 times a day"
What about implementing some WEEKLY votes/curation instead of daily? Regular folks love to post some days and the rest of the days work hard and don't have the time to social media.
IMHO
Indeed!! Can’t agree more! That’s what I do, I’m quite active from Monday till Thursday on the train, but Friday I work from home, and next is the weekend. That’s family time. A weekly reasonable limit would be nice.
Exactly. Why frustrate people longer when 10x isn't going to do anything for anyone who actually needs it. And I also want people leaving lots of comments, because that's how you grow. The spammers need to leave 100+ comments per day, but a real person can't. That's where the cutoff should be set.
As we all move ahead in 'oneness..."Reversing Forward. Future Is History"
As we all move ahead in 'oneness...Reversing Forward. Future Is History"