RE: HF20 Update: Operations Stable
I agree wholeheartedly, and thank you for providing a fresh, organic, COMMUNITY UPVOTED comment, not like the ones above yours.
I agree with you, unlike the nay sayers who have no clue about software development. (never mind some of their claimed 20-years-techincal-expertise who claim you can see a 8mbps twitch stream on a 56k modem, true story) The developers involved (NOT JUST STINC, EVERYONE) has done an admirable job this week, things are never expected to go wrong, and when they do, that is the measure of the workmanship, how you handle crisis.
Why pay to get your comment moved to the top in a an announcement thread? showboating.
If what you have to say isn't valuable, then you have to spend (some times charity money) on it to get it noticed, so that you feel like you're 'contributing'.
At this point I would like to call out the posers.
If your "contributions" isn't on github in the form of PR's you're not really contributing.
Throwing stones at those who do is frankly ignorant behavior.
Define "showboating" - and also, produce proof of your allegations...
I define showboating as basically being a hypocrite...
Observe your counterargument to yourself:
https://steemit.com/steem-promo/@lanmower/two-in-the-pink-one-in-the-stinc
Compared to the grandstanding above, it smells a lot like "throwing stones" and "ignorant behavior" to me...
Never seen you in github by this name. Funny, I'm on a few threads over there in the PRs and Issues areas. Even got one of the initiatives it took a year of campaigning for passed and into condenser, so you could more easily participate in a more democratic form of governance here than was previously possible. It took a year of broadcasting on the topic, and finally proof of my allegations by another witness who documented his pass through the barriers previously set, and then the calling on of a half dozen more to force the gatekeepers to acquiesce but the win was ours that day.
What did you do again? Oh yeah, apparently not very much of interest to anyone, for a year's worth of time "served"
Boom! Headshot. I tried to reason w/ that fella a while back. You commented on that thread as well. I'd surmise he is fishing for upvotes as his statement is rather inconsistent with the objective most reasonable Steemians share against the onslaught of spam that we at @steemflagrewards fight on the daily. Would be nice if @ned gave us a delegation so we would have the means to pay our mods and contributors but I digress.
The point I am trying to make is @lanmower is commenting positive about the update which effectively hinders spammers while he will object to the flagging of same spammers which is quite peculiar. Hopefully, he takes your message to heart and evaluates his self.
Perhaps, we can all work together to make this blockchain better, be it through flags, through Pull Requests, and discussions just like this. But I'm not holding my breath about this one.
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This little kid has been nothing but a troll since he showed up sometime this past summer, trolling around various discords I mod, mostly being a know nothing know it all punk. I fed him loads of bullshit and let him think he was winning so he would go away back then but it was time to school him and put him down for a nap. It's amusing when some barely out of highschool kid tries to troll someone nearly three times their age, it won't end well for them.
@sircork, honestly, you could stand to learn more than you could stand to teach.
But that's none of my business, your eyes are closed while your mouth is open, and that is your issue not mine.
Arguing with cork is like arguing with a 5 year old.
You have to keep your sentences short.
And allow enough white space for his brain to catch up.
@steemflagrewards accomplishes nothing more than breeding busybodies in my opinion, and I should be free to express that, but you feel like telling people they're not free to state plainly what they perceive is ok, which I respect, that doesn't mean I'm going to let you bully me into silence.
I understand that you are proud of your project, I am proud of your project too, its a good display of organizational talent and while I haven't seen the code it seems to work.
Do I respect it influencing peoples freedom of speech? nope.
I feel like I am free to say that, which I do. You're welcome to different opinion, that's none of my business.
What you're doing right here, is childish. But that's ok, we're all learning too and I respect the time you require to learn from your own experiences.
Cheers @anthonyadavisii I can't imagine how you think that you playing god over who gets flagged, is somehow better than blockchain patches but is I have always advocated passive fixes to the underlying problem rather than users fighting each other I am an automation designer so to me the solution is obvious and what the patch is about is a direct exploration at an automatic spam fighting solution.
Policing bloggers is a terrible idea in my opinion, but that's my opionion, and I'm free to advocate it, the fact that you attack me over it shows that you couldn't care less about the things I hold dear, like freedom, which is fine, you too will learn from being here and dealing with people who care about the important things you ignore, and I will learn too from people who deal with the important things I ignore.
Our lord and saviour, Dan the Man, created something called proof-of-stake. Whereby everyone on the blockchain has a stake in it. Whether it be borrowed stake or invested stake doesnt matter. What does matter is what people choose to use their stake for. I use mine to distribute wealth, and to troll occasionally. You use yours to build automation systems for communities, and to troll occasionally. @steemflagrewards uses their stake to apply censorship to the blockchain, and to troll occasionally.
Only one of us are trying to negate the ability of other stake holders to do their thing.
You guessed it.
It's @steemflagrewards !!!
Thanks for taking the time to formulate a thoughtful response, @lanmower. However, I believe one of your underlying premises is flawed and I will explain why.
You assert that the issue is freedom of speech and, in order to help you out, I would like you to consider one question.
How often do you see us flagging content that has declined rewards?
I think you could figure what I'm getting at and believe this is where your argument begins to unravel. I think it is important you come to terms with the implication of this specifically in what it says about your actual position the feigned position you present.
If I am correct in my line of reasoning, your real issue is our affecting others freedom of extracting rewards or value from the network without making a meaningful contribution. That's our issue and, of course, it is subjective.
That is why I think your proposition that this can be achieved via a fully programmatic solution is a far cry from what can be achieved in reality at least not in a comprehensive sense.
Sure there is a higher degree of automation that can be achieved and I would like to work to that end but don't think it is wise to fully remove human judgment from the equation however imperfect it can be. Having both leaves us with a more robust solution.
I am one that believes also in the power of the human mind, the extraordinary creation that it is, is able to bolster programming in ways that AI or machine learning are not able... At least not yet
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define spam
Here is our consensus definition that may be also found on our GitHub
Thanks to @freebornangel for putting this in a post with an easily readable forget.
Please, let me know your thoughts. Always welcome community feedback in how we may improve definitions.
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You see the problem is then that all our services, yours included, is considered spam by your collective. You guys comment spam, we spam stats and live streams. And although we spam way more than you do, we allow for natural upvotes, whereas you guys autoupvote every flagrewards comment, thus stealing from all of us. I guess we should start an anti-steemflagrewards community to reduce your impact?
Or perhaps you guys should all come join us so that you can also see that bot accounts and spam is actually beneficial for all of us.
The blockchain itself is doing good. We have a LOT of transactions that happen every second. Steemit and other front end services arent doing so good. As the content that you guys want, do not appeal to mass audiences. Which means we arent creating any new traffic to any of these front ends.
Popular media consists of memes and cat pictures. Parody and satire. You might not like it. I don't even like it. But you have to accept the world as it is, before you can start to change it.
Another thing that bothers me about steemflagrewards, steemcleaners, and all the other busy-bodies. You guys all attack the little guy. Not once have you flagged haejin, or berniesanders, or any of the so-called bad-whales. You don't even flag us because we have enough stake to fight back. Seems kinda like a war between the USA and Nauru.
So, who's funding this blatant oppression of the minnow-class? And why are you, a person with a relatively good moral compass, part of it?
You hit the nail on the head, they attack the little guy just trying to get by and figure things out, what they consider spam is less bad than the spam they produce. They produce spam on other peoples blogs without permission while attacking the blogger accusing him of spam.
They are stealing from all of us by upvoting themselves under the ruse of being police.
Their idea of 'good content' is completely irrelevant and they have no understanding for internet communities, and only pretend to 'police' everyone else according to the wants and needs of the few, the very very boring few.
They are literally fighting whats normal on the internet because they want to pretend that its not normal on steem.
And yes they claim to have an ethical superiority which they certainly don't, they are actually producing harm and calling it good, which is very ethically challenged.
Well, the thing is that we have verifiable proof of brain behind the bot approval mechanism. I promise you our volunteer mods are not automatons. They are human beings with gray mass making the decision to review and approve the mention comments.
What you say though is important for what we are looking to implement soon, that is the auto-approvals for whitelisted abuse fighters. We will ensure that via that mechanism that no comments are generated something I did not think about before your comment.
Way to go, @stephanus! We probably would have overlooked that otherwise.
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If you take the human out of it, I'd probably comment on your comments way less. Because a bot will have set parameters. IE. Do not copy/paste. Do not reuse photos. Do not etc.
Which would actually encourage certain behaviour. And you would actually make a difference then.
Right now though, nobody knows what's up. Can I post 200 memes consecutively and not get flagged by you? Or can I use vimm to post the same content every 2 hours to generate traffic to my stream? There are NO RULES. Everyone is posting, hoping some collective wont start a flag war with them. Your initiative creates a stressful environment. And nobody wants to work for a bunch of pricks.
Also, if I was a mod, I'd flag this entire discussion because it has nothing to do with the main thread.
"TRUST US, LET US PLAY GOD THEN YOU DONT HAVE TO"
DONT WORRY, STEEM IS SAFU
There's no such thing as proof of brain, and its certainly not verifiable. Anything you present as evidence of fairness is completely dependent on trusting you, and we don't trust you or your group to decide for anyone whats right and wrong, and presenting proof that you're deciding correctly is not proof that you will or have.
Our community is based on a foundation of trustlessness and censorship resistance, and you tell us 'trust us, we promise you we'll tell you whats right and wrong and we'll even censor those we think is wrong'
You do spam, your 'proof of brain' is not verifiable, you attack bloggers on their own blogs with spam and then you flag them accusing them of spamming, then you upvote your own comments.
I admire your stoic need to misunderstand everything, and I admire that you manage to hold together a community and maintain their belief in whatever you say.
However your claims to morality is not remotely founded, and your service is a cancer.
What I really want to know though, is, what can I do so that we never need to see each other on the blockchain again? Because I am gonna do 90% of the type of stuff you listed. Is there a specific format I can use to bypass your human bots?
Do what the other snowflakes do and mute me. Not going to hurt my feelings.
Yeah, the specific format is called not being a dipshit but rather adding value to the chain. Instead of driving the car until the wheels falls off, it is about maintaining it which is what all abusers seem intent on NOT doing.
Steem is a microcosm of a bigger problem of people that don't understand the flow of causality and consequence. Instead they get pissy when people with foresight attempts to drop wisdom on their dense fucking heads. I'm done with you. You have proven to be incorrigible and not worth any more of my valuable time.
This is why we can't have nice things. Good luck with your spamming.
Well he is in the same class as @ berniesanders, what did you expect?
finally a complement!
Hardly.
Bernie's got a strong mind and a sense of humor, and he's using it, just cause you don't 'get it' doesn't mean others don't ;)
at least he isn't making steem more boring
Yeah right, he's driving people away! Maybe you should do some reading. Start with this... https://justpaste.it/1jpbl
SDL is a team of people who performed faucet rape to flag people, if you are in any way associated with SDL you are part of scam group who contravened the T&C's of steemit, and would explain a lot about what you say.
Many of their scam accounts' power has been revoked after being caught. It's all on record.
Bernie is a stake holder, as in co-owner of steem's assets, not to mention long term witness. big difference.
Deal with it.
How did you get that info about the followers? I've long wanted a way to sift mine and get rid of those who are spoiling my feed page, making it difficult for me to see posts by those I want to follow!
Well, thanks for asking! I actually built the tool for determining your dead followers and dead followings as one our @noblewitness team's many varied contributions to the steem chain!
Find these tools and more here!
http://steem.agency
I am resteeming AND Bookmarking and this page will get pinned on my browser. Already got rid of nearly 50, but my hand is now tired.
I guess there is no way to mark who of the followers, never checks my posts? I think they are the biggest waste of time and space.
lol - that was funny - I actually hit a bug!!!
I hit the resteem button and I got the black bar telling me I cannot resteem anything but the top level...
Well technically thats not a bug as you cant and couldnt.. Its a user interface issue though but luckily ned is single-handledly building us a new one all by himself.
let's hope football and hairspray builds dapps.
corkyyy we all love you, but you are a very naive and lonely individual.
Being in a thread on github doesn't mean that you've contributed much more than what you've done here, which is talk shit. Difference is I don't attack you for talking shit, I talk shit myself, in fact my neo dadaist blog on steem is perfect proof that I know what's up enough to hold a year long satiric comedy about it, if you don't get any of it I'm not surprised, you wouldn't.
I always dig it when you take it out on me, good material :)
It's performance is exactly what I'd like it to be, which is more than what anyone can say about your blog, cause you're always bitching about how you're not getting your 'fair share' which imho you get more than. I have no clue what you're trying to say with your screenshot, I guess the usual right? trying to make steem a little more boring?
Doesn't sound like you did much more than imagine conspiracies :)
I'm just pushing your buttons bro, lighten up a little. And wake up ffs you've been sounding like a broken record since the first day we met.
The technical chops of the development team is unequalled, @lanmover
At what cost?
Yes you have raised very relevant concerns.
I'm afraid the financials of the decision is out of my league, and I know it's had an impact, whether the long term effect will be positive or negative is a matter that I still watch with skeptical reservations of my own, I just feel they handled it fairly decently considering the scope of steem/steemit, not as well as a cooperate site would have perhaps, but I strongly suspect they had no intention to cause damage, and I also suspect that if they were to do it again, they would probably fair better.
We're dealing with new ground right? and that's hard to cover, next time lets all advocate smaller updates, I think that would make sense to you.